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Old 07-16-2012, 01:43 PM
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So in an attempt to get Scout's mind off her own issues I'd like to start sport tracking with her. I have done a lot of groundwork using scent pads and short tracks with Lily, but have done nada with Scout.

Do I have to use a fursaver? Does it really matter? I mean, I doubt she'll ever trial, but if we did...

Also she HATES any time a leash gets under her legs. I know a lot of people will tuck the line under an armpit to encourage the deep nose... but her nose is always deep when she smells something interesting, so I really don't see that being a problem. So can I just not do that or is there some esoteric reason I should attempt to desensitize her to a lead tucked under her leg? I probably just answered my own question there didn't I...

It should be really easy to shape her to platz at an article. She is really into the game of shaping.

It might take a while to get her to relax and focus on the track on the little field on campus I plan to use, but I am hoping this will be a great way to get her thinking and help her focus on something other than worrying about whats in her environment.
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:46 PM
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I generally see the lead going under the leg to either a) encourage a deep nose or to b) slow down the speed trackers. Kroyer is going to be in town in a couple weeks, so I fully intend on picking his brain.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:15 PM
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I generally see the lead going under the leg to either a) encourage a deep nose or to b) slow down the speed trackers. Kroyer is going to be in town in a couple weeks, so I fully intend on picking his brain.
I assume you mean Dave Kroyer, and yes pick his brain. He's cool. Not hung up on who's right and who's wrong or which way is the best. He has his system for sure and he's very good at what he does.

I remember the last time I was training with him and somebody was having difficulty, i don't even remember what it was, it was in ring sport and wanted to try something. He was like" that's cool, half the time i'm just making **** up and seeing if it works"

I'm sure he isn't just willy nilly making stuff up, but it's nice training with someone that isn't more concerned about being "right" than they are about getting the most out of the dog and handler.

anyway as for the original question, you know i have no idea of you have to use a fursaver. all my dogs have one, so I never think about it I'm not sure if it matters, but I know it can't be a choke collar or pinch or anything, it would have to be a flat if anything or harness.

I'd get them used to putting the leash under the leg before tracking, just because it signals them as to what is coming. I don't ever have it tight in the beginning and by the time we are really tracking and they are 30 feet in front of me they don't think anything of the least under their front leg.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:39 PM
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Thats awesome, you'll have to share what you learn.

Thats a good point release the hounds... I didn't think about it signaling whats coming! I'll have to slowly ease her intot hat because if she accidentally gets it under her front leg on a walk she'll about flip over trying to get it out. She's pretty easy to desensitize on things and once she gets it, she gets it. I think it took me like a week to acclimate her to the harness we use for tugging bitework with the decoy and now she gets excited whenever I pull it out. Weirdo dog.

I always just used Lily's flat collar... its been a while since I last tracked her. For some weird reason I've never gotten around to picking up a couple fursavers. I keep meaning to, lol.
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:03 PM
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Yeah, Dave is awesome. I audited one of his seminars last month and have a handler spot in the one coming up. I like how he really does think outside the box and instead of using cookie cutter methods, will instead come up with something that works for the handler and the dog, after he observes how they work.
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:51 PM
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I generally see the lead going under the leg to either a) encourage a deep nose or to b) slow down the speed trackers. Kroyer is going to be in town in a couple weeks, so I fully intend on picking his brain.
assuming they are straddling the track, why would you slow down the fast dogs?
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assuming they are straddling the track, why would you slow down the fast dogs?
They can go so fast they miss important information.
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assuming they are straddling the track, why would you slow down the fast dogs?
it's as much OB as it is tracking in the trials, too fast, you lose points. They want slow and methodical.
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They can go so fast they miss important information.
if they are straddling the track they won't miss anything because of speed. IME a dog that drifts the track works out the tricks faster. mind you my experience applies to hunting not manwork.
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it's as much OB as it is tracking in the trials, too fast, you lose points. They want slow and methodical.
so it's mostly stressing the artificial environment like most trials do. still it's work & that is better than most.
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