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Old 07-13-2012, 04:23 PM
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mine where done as a baby and i yanked one out and have a scar. this is why i hesitate , but now they aer older i still hesitate because of the infection .

but when i do cave and have it done the doctor office will do it for the same price as claires and it is with a needle.

when i first learned there was options for uncut , i had to google it to see what it was all about.

i understand all the reasons , but the main reason i did it was so all the males would match in the house. nothing worse than how come questions about gential in a public place *restrooms urinal comes to mind

"hey daddy how come his looks ..........." is not something chris wanted to deal with.


trival probably , thats ok i can live with it. to each there own and i would never dream of telling someone they should/not have it done .


now the religious aspects i can not comment on becasue for me it was cosmetic. **** sounds bad but it is the truth. i was young and dumb as i said with the first and maybe foolish with the second , but hindsight id alway 20/20
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:29 PM
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I am anti circ...the foreskin is an important functioning part of the penis. Yes, a few males will have issues with it but more males have lifelong issues from circumcision and lets not forget that babies do die from the surgery.

I am VERY happy that rates here in the US are dropping.
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:33 PM
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Just want to add also, circumcision was done for "moral cleanliness" - supposed to curb masturbation as the foreskin helps the sexual experience. Its not really any different from female circumcision which is banned in most places.

I will be honest, many men freak of the thought of their son being left intact. I am pretty sure its because deep down many men are afraid if they leave their sons intact it is somehow admitting something is "wrong" with their penis (and I have had men corroborate this with me so not just making it up).

I have some people ask me if I am worried a future girlfriend of my son's may not like him intact...My response, if she is that shallow that she puts the looks over the function and feeling of his body part than she is no good for him. (plus, the fewer males who get circed the more normal intact is....females from other countries definitely seem to prefer intact looks and function)
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:40 PM
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I have two girls, so I don't have to worry about this but should I have boys, I'd have them circumcised as newborns - because according to my OB, the benefits outweigh the risks by far, and circumcision surgery is much easier and take much less time for the wound to heal if it's done on newborn vs adult males, plus, the baby will have no memories of the pain. He also said, because of the many benefits of circumcision (see excerpts below), he recommends it to all new parents. Of course, the decision is still the parents' to make.



SUMMARY (From here)

Circumcision versus Lack of Circumcision

Lack of circumcision:
• Is responsible for a 12-fold higher risk of urinary tract infections in infancy. Risk = 1 in 20 to 1 in 50 for uncircumcised infants and 1 in 200 to 1 in 500 for circumcised infants. Higher risk of UTI at older ages as well. Overall lifetime cumulative prevalence of UTI = 1 in 3 for uncircumcised males compared with 1 in 20 for circumcised males, respectively.

• Confers a higher risk of death in the first year of life (from complications of urinary tract infections: namely kidney failure, meningitis and infection of bone marrow).

• One in ~400–900 uncircumcised men will get cancer of the penis, which occurs more than 20 times more commonly in uncircumcised men. A quarter of these will die from it and the rest will require complete or partial penile amputation as a result. (In contrast, invasive penile cancer never occurs or is extraordinarily rare in men circumcised at birth.) (Data from studies in the USA, Denmark and Australia, which are not to be confused with the often quoted, but misleading, annual incidence figure of 1 in 100,000).

• Higher risk of prostate cancer (50–100% higher in uncircumcised men)

• Is associated with 3-fold higher risk of inflammation and infection of the skin of the penis. This includes balanitis (inflammation of the glans), posthitis (inflammation of the foreskin), balanoposthitis (inflammation of glans and foreskin), phimosis (inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (constriction of the penis by a tight foreskin that will not return after retraction). Up to 18% of uncircumcised boys will develop one of these by 8 years of age, whereas all are unknown or much rarer in the circumcised. Risk of balanoposthitis = 1 in 6. Obstruction to urine flow = 1 in 10–50. Risk of these is even higher in diabetic men.

• Means increased risk of problems that may necessitate 1 in 10 older children and men requiring circumcision later in life, when the cost is 10 times higher, the procedure is less convenient, and the cosmetic result can be lesser, as stitches or tissue glue are required, as compared with circumcisions done in infancy.

• Increases by 2–4 fold the risk of thrush and sexually transmitted infections such as human papillomavirus (HPV), genital herpes (HSV-2), syphilis, chancroid, Trichomonas vaginalis and thrush.

• Is the biggest risk factor for heterosexually-acquired AIDS virus infection in men. 2 to 8-times higher risk by itself, and even higher when lesions from STIs are added in. Risk per exposure = 1 in 300.

• In the female partners of uncircumcised men lack of male circumcision is associated with an up to 5 fold higher incidence of cervical cancer (caused by sexually transmitted HPV), genital herpes, Trichomonas vaginalis, bacterial vaginosis (formerly called “Gardnerella”), and possibly Chlamydia (which is a cause of pelvic inflammatory disease, infertility from blockage of fallopian tubes, and ectopic pregnancy).

Getting circumcised will result in:
• Having to go through a very minor surgical procedure that carries with it small risks.

• Improved hygiene.

• Much lower risk of urinary tract infections.

• Much lower chance of acquiring HIV, the AIDS virus, heterosexually.

• Virtually complete elimination of the risk of invasive penile cancer.

• Slightly lower risk of prostate cancer.

• More favourable hygiene for the man’s sexual partner.

• Much lower risk of cervical cancer and Chlamydia (and thus infertility and other problems) in the female sexual partner.

• More favorable sexual function and experience, with no reduction in sensation during arousal or in the sensitivity of the flaccid penis.

• A penis that is regarded by most men and women as being more attractive.
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:53 PM
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Ok, have to leave but the HIV/AIDS thing is bogus. Its seems in SOME studies to slightly lower the risk in areas where it is extrememly prevelant. But, US has the a very high rate of circumcision and AIDS so yeah, not a good argument. (And some other studies showed infection rates HIGHER in circed males....there is no real way to research it as you cant have a control group)

Link to much more info on it
http://www.aidscirc.org/

Even when people agree with it, they still do NOT recommend routine infant circumcision here in the US. The American Association of Pediatricians says there is no compelling reason to do it.


Prostate Cancer -

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The World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer presented the 2008 findings of incidence and mortality of prostate cancer. Statistics clearly show that rates of prostate cancer are highest in nations with the highest populations of adult circumcised men, and rates of prostate cancer are consistently lowest in nations where male circumcision is unheard of. (3)
http://www.drmomma.org/2012/03/circu...-prostate.html

Over 80% of the worlds men are NOT circed. Proper care = no problem (except for a very few rare cases which does not likely exceed the number of issues of men who were circed). Here in the US unfortunately intact males are often retracted as babies which is a BIG no no...it tears the skin and invites infection....again, proper care and that wont happen.

And more favorable sexual experience??? Oh my, so wrong. That would be like taking a womens clit almost. Foreskin is very much a part of the sexual experience and enhances it for BOTH men and women.
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Old 07-13-2012, 05:01 PM
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More...I really have to go but while I repsect people make different choices, please dont make them in ignorance.

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Erogenous Sensitivity

The foreskin is more sensitive than the fingertips, the glans (head) of the penis, or the lips of the mouth. It contains a richer variety and greater concentration of specialized nerve receptors than any other part of the body. (15) These specialized nerve endings can discern motion, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations of texture. (16) This function enables genitally intact males to experience a superior dimension of sexual pleasure, compared to males who were circumcised. Intact males can be more tender, gentle, relaxed, and loving during sex because the slightest and subtlest gesture or motion evokes deeply satisfying sensations. Circumcised males have to work harder just to feel sensations. This is an unhealthy situation for both the male and his partner.
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The prepuce is primary, erogenous tissue necessary for normal sexual function. The complex interaction between the sensitivity of the corpuscular receptor-deficient glans penis and the corpuscular receptor-rich ridged band of the male prepuce is required for normal copulatory behavior. ***8211; Dr. Christopher Cold, M.D. and Dr. John Taylor, M.D.
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One of the foreskin***8217;s functions is to facilitate smooth, gentle, and slow movement between the two partners during intercourse. The foreskin enables the penis to slip in and out of the vagina nonabrasively inside its own slick sheath of self-lubricating, movable skin. The female is thus stimulated by moving pressure rather than by friction only, as when the males***8217; foreskin is missing.

The foreskin fosters intimacy between the two partners by enveloping the glans and maintaining it as an internal organ. The sexual experience is enhanced when the foreskin slips back to allow the male***8217;s internal organ, the glans, to meet the female***8217;s internal organ ***8211; a moment of supreme intimacy and beauty.

You may have heard circumcision promoters allege that the foreskin is ***8216;dangerously thin and delicate; and that it ***8216;rips and tears easily during intercourse.***8217; This is unscientific nonsense and has no basis in anatomical fact. I am sorry to say that it is a deception calculated to provide false reassurance to anxious circumcised males and to frighten parents into letting their children be circumcised. The simple truth is that the foreskin is perfectly designed to function effortlessly and pleasurably during sexual activity. Its double-layered integument is strong, flexible, and resilient. The foreskin is a durable and vigorous organ that enhances and facilitates sexual intercourse. If it didn***8217;t, it would have atrophied years ago.

Self-Lubricating Function

Analogous to the eyelid, the foreskin protects and preserves the sensitivity of the glans by maintaining optimal levels of moisture, warmth, pH balance, and cleanliness. The glans is an internal organ. The glans itself contains no sebaceous glands and relies on the foreskin for production and distribution of sebum to maintain proper epithelial lubrication. Lubrication is naturally secreted by Cowper***8217;s glands in the urethra. This clear fluid begins to flow out of the meatus as the male becomes sexually aroused.

During intercourse, this natural lubricant assists the male in inserting the penis in to the vagina. Because the fluid is sheltered under the foreskin of the erect penis it is less likely to dry up. Instead, it keeps the penis well lubricated and prevents the vagina from drying out.
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• A penis that is regarded by most men and women as being more attractive.
Ah the American egocentrism rears its ugly head
Since this is what we do in America that’s what EVERYONE must prefer
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Ah the American egocentrism rears its ugly head
Since this is what we do in America that’s what EVERYONE must prefer
to be fair... it didn't say ALL it said most lol so that wouldn't be EVERYONE
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Old 07-13-2012, 05:10 PM
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DH is intact and if we have a boy he will be intact too. And yes, there's very little difference in circumcised vs. intact penises visually once they are, erm, ready for action. LOL

I'm not sure how I feel about it being legislated, but I do think there needs to be way more info out there on what it entails.

The biggest issue for me is that many babies, because they are so young, really don't receive effective pain management during or after the procedure; at least if a man decides to have it done as an adult the surgery is done under full anesthesia, he has effective pain control afterward, and it's not sitting in a dirty diaper.
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intresting the web site m&m linked is authored by a doctor from australia.

nothing else to add , but he aint american so it is not just us egomaniacs from the usa.
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