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Old 07-13-2012, 03:31 PM
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http://ideas.time.com/2012/07/12/sol...-seeking-help/

I'm not going into the can of worms over military involvement anywhere. But the new Time magazine has a cover story on soldier suicides. One of the statistics is that 36% of the military is under the age of twenty five years old. 47% of that age group are statistically successful suicides.

The article explores probably causes for this trend. One of the obvious being the backlog of cases in mental health assistance. Reserve soldiers can be on waiting lists for veteran services and be redeployed before they get them.

But was curious about the opinions of people around the age group. Do you think raising the enlistment age would make a difference? In America the legal drinking age is 21. But you can enlist for the military at 18. Could age be part of the issue? I don't know the answers, I don't even know the questions anymore...

My son would have been an excellent career serviceperson. It had been his goal to enlist after high school. He came of age just before 9/11. We didn't want to see him in that and his career path changed to the private sector. My brother was the Vietnam era but the draft ended weeks before he turned eighteen. My Dad served proudly in WWII but that was quite a different world then.

So I do greatly respect those who do serve. But there must be a better way...
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:03 PM
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I think either the drinking age should be dropped or the enlistment age raised. Old enough to kill for your country but can't have a beer??? WTF?

Drinking age in South Africa is 18.
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:44 PM
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I think the enlistment age is fine. Should there be a better way to make sure mental health services are rendered to veterans? Absolutely.

And I have never understood the 21 year old drinking age.
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:54 PM
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I think the enlistment age should be raised, although if it were, my DH wouldn't be in. I'm not sure if it would really make a difference, though.

A lot of people who go in think it'll be fun, awesome, serving your country, brothers at arms and all that. Then you get in and they treat you like a piece of meat, you get hazed, they put a gun in your hand and say shoot. It's a shock for most. And even in the AF, where many are not deployed to war, I still know a lot of younger guys and girls being treated for severe depression. It's a shell shock for KIDS. 18-21 year old kids who just got out of their prom and mommy/daddy's house.

It might be technically 18, but I know highschoolers of 16 and 17 who are able to sign up and "train" with the reserves. They just have that "out" until they sign a full contract at 18.

As far as the drinking age, I've never really understood that either. It's really backwards. You can put yourself in a murderous piece of machinery at 15, die for your country at 18, but the drinking age is 21.
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I think the enlistment age is fine. Should there be a better way to make sure mental health services are rendered to veterans? Absolutely.

And I have never understood the 21 year old drinking age.
this . mental health services NEED to be beefed up and we need to work on a society as a whole to be more accepting of mental illness .



Drinking age , should be lowered to 18 also.
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:24 PM
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Yeah, just doesn't make any sense...give an 18 year old a bottle of vodka and it's a crime because they might hurt themselves or others and they aren't mature enough to drink responsibly blahblahblah...but Uncle Sam can put a weapon in their paws and ship em out because they're adults...huh??????
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:42 PM
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I say enlistment age remain the same, drinking age be ***8804;18.
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:45 PM
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I do not think enlistment age should be raised. A lot of kids would be in a heap of trouble if they had to find something to do after high school and didn't have military as an option. Sure some of them could go to college, but what about the ones that need the military to even make college an option? I think it gives kids who don't have much to look forward to, an opportunity to do something with their lives.

As far as drinking age, yes I can see that being lowered to 18. Do I think that all those people are responsible enough to drink at 18? No, but I also don't think turning 21 is going to magically make them responsible drinkers.
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:54 PM
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I suppose it's a question too however of maturity and being able to process the reality of combat. At twenty five or thirty is it any easier to deal with the expeience of war? I had a poli science prof who explained his early Vietnam experience as more or less a bunch of young guys who were basically fearless and saw the service as an adventure of sorts.

Of course it's different for everyone and he was relating it from 30 plus years before. And there was more funding for veterans services in those days
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I think the enlistment age should be raised, although if it were, my DH wouldn't be in. I'm not sure if it would really make a difference, though.

A lot of people who go in think it'll be fun, awesome, serving your country, brothers at arms and all that. Then you get in and they treat you like a piece of meat, you get hazed, they put a gun in your hand and say shoot. It's a shock for most. And even in the AF, where many are not deployed to war, I still know a lot of younger guys and girls being treated for severe depression. It's a shell shock for KIDS. 18-21 year old kids who just got out of their prom and mommy/daddy's house.

It might be technically 18, but I know highschoolers of 16 and 17 who are able to sign up and "train" with the reserves. They just have that "out" until they sign a full contract at 18.

As far as the drinking age, I've never really understood that either. It's really backwards. You can put yourself in a murderous piece of machinery at 15, die for your country at 18, but the drinking age is 21.
if they're "shell shocked" by being in the USAF, it's because they're emotionally retarded by modern society. doesn't mean they're bad people just that someone failed to teach them to be fully functional adults & now they're screwed unless they can fix themselves.
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