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Old 07-10-2012, 05:18 PM
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I know people who lived in communist countries too, several who fled as refugees to America. No, they know Obama is NOT a socialist.
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Old 07-10-2012, 05:27 PM
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I heard many of our Czech friends say "America is following in Europe's footsteps." And we are. Well, I guess we'll see. I hope I'm long gone before this country is complete shambles.
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Old 07-10-2012, 05:42 PM
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I really think Obama meant well at one time, any president who came in after Dubya was facing an impossible mess to clean up...he hasn't done any worse than anyone else could've done.
N' remember kids, being an American means the freedom to each have our own opinions...the freedom to disagree...without getting all nutty self righteous about it. It's not worth getting rabid over...religion and politics, both separate and both totally personal. We have to respect each others differences. With the government, even the people who are in politics don't have control of the machine. Just pray for the best is all we can do ultimately.
IMHO Disney is going to slowly keep buying up things until they become a government unto themselves...ridiculous? Think what you want, it won't be in my lifetime....
Now that the crazy old cat lady has said her piece time to back slowly out of this conflict before Ted Nugent shows up to go meshugganah aaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Old 07-10-2012, 06:05 PM
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Who is getting self righteous... Nutty self righteous? Me? You mean because I have an strong opinion about something, I'm self righteous? I didn't think I was making this about me.
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Old 07-10-2012, 06:16 PM
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I think they meant the other peeps
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Old 07-10-2012, 06:19 PM
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He's a Marxist. He believes in socialism to the extreme. He is NOT like every other leader we've had. He is out to destroy America IMO and what our country has always stood for. Don't kid yourselves with his "charm and good looks." He's corrupt and awful. IN MY OPINION. And not just in my opinion.
I thought you stated earlier that he was a Muslim? Now he's a Marxist too? Given Marxism's feelings toward religion (opiate of the masses and all) that seems rather doubtful...

Sorry, but Obama is a politician. He has an agenda, he bends the truth, and he deals in power--just like most other politicians--even his holiness Ronald Reagan.

The fact is that we the people ARE the government. Blaming Obama or Congress is an exercise in futility--we the people VOTED these politicians in (or didn't vote at all). If we want to see the change we have to be the change, starting from local levels on up.
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Old 07-10-2012, 06:30 PM
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People idolize and vilify politicians and public officials too much. I make a point of trying to avoid using the terms communism, socialism, capitalism, liberal, and conservative when discussing politics. They can mean so many different things, overgeneralize people's opinions and they're so often used in a childish manner. Corrupt politicians are nothing new and scandals have occurred in politics for hundreds of years.
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Seriously lol'd a bit at this.
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yeah, i agree this sucks, but get off OBAMA's nuts would you, it's all of them. It's not Obama, he's not unique


It boggles my mind that so many people who supported Bush hate Obama.

Obama hasn't changed anything Bush did. He re-signed the PATRIOT Act, signed off on all the bailouts that were set up under the Bush administration, we're still in Iraq, only the label's been changed, still in Afghanistan, now we're threatening to get into another pissing and bullet throwing contest in another country in the middle east, oil subsidies are alive and well, the middle class continues to shrink and sink into serfdom . . . sound familiar? Republicans and anyone who supported Bush should LOVE Obama.

Hell, he IS Bush, except for the being literate and able to actually read the teleprompter screen for himself.

Oh, and Marxism and Socialism are two distinct isms.
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I heard many of our Czech friends say "America is following in Europe's footsteps." And we are. Well, I guess we'll see. I hope I'm long gone before this country is complete shambles.
"America is following in Europe's footsteps" Does not sound negativ rather than a statement. As none of western Europe is communist. More social than America? Yes.

We Europeans live such horrible and controled lives. We are FORCED to have heath insurance so that everyone has medical care no matter how much they make, and we are FORCED to pay into a retirement fund that is shared with all, so that even people we didn't earn alot, can still retire and don't have stand at your next door walmart to pack bags until they're 90. Worst of all, we have social system, where if you loose your job, you don't land on the streets. Oh noes our lives are such horrible ones, and because we can't decide if we want these things we not free. The wonderful great America is heading towards being like Europe - how HORRID.

Sorry, had to get that out of our system.


And to not "remembering" how great America was - You can't forget that world is completly different than it was 40 or 50 years ago. Most countries aren't what they were 40 or 50 years ago. When America was founded the world was completly different. You can't go by that now. We're all so connected - it really doesn't matter if you're in Australia, or South Africa, Europe or America - just look at Chaz.
We all need to work together. There shouldn't BE one country that is greater or better than another.
That involves change though - not the downfall of America.
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