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Old 07-08-2012, 07:33 PM
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Default Various Bulldog types

I was bored today and was browsing around online, drooling over various dogs. Then I started looking around at the various "alternative" bulldog types and realized I loved their looks, but had no clue how their temperaments/health/drives/etc. were different.

So, enlighten me! What are the basic differences between the various bulldog breeds? American Bulldog, Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog, Olde English Bulldogge (OEBKC version, not the IOEBA version), Leavitt Bulldog, etc., etc.

I know from my past research that the OEBKC does not condone or promote protection sports, so none of their dogs are competed with in those avenues. And they aren't restricted to just the Leavitt line. Whereas the Leavitt Bulldog does compete in protection sports and is restricted to only dogs from the Leavitt line.
I didn't know if with the line differentiation there was a distinct temperament/health difference.

I know next to nothing about American Bulldogs. I know there is a split in type (Johnson and Scott), but that's about it. Does the type difference result in a different "dog", or are they essentially the same?
I know I've liked the ones I've met, but other than that my knowledge of them is almost nothing.
Are Alapaha's related in any way to the AmBulldog? How are they the same? Different?

I'd really like to own a bulldog breed one of these days and I'm just trying to get a feel for the various types and how they compare to one another. All I know is that they are absolutely gorgeous.


And, just to make things even more difficult, how would you say one of these breeds compares to your run of the mill generic Pit Bull that you'd find at a shelter? (As that is really what I have experience with and figure using that as a comparison point would be best.)

How would they do in sports (such as obedience, rally, agility, etc.)? Home life?
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Old 07-08-2012, 07:39 PM
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I knew of one American Bulldog, possibly mix. He was a dork. Completely and utter derp. Smart, though, super smart and picked up on basic things very quickly. Very athletic, always loved attention and exercise. Horribly SSA, though. That's about all I got, I'm sure others will chime in, though. Picture of the White Boy. Yes, those scars are due to wars. He was my surrogate boy. Would have taken him in a heartbeat if I could.

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Old 07-09-2012, 05:09 AM
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I don't know the difference between american bulldog lines, but will say that the ones I have met were very dedicated guard dogs. Completely different from ohmygoshsohappytoseeahuman pit bulls. My cousin has a female Johnson and she would probably back up her bark if someone pushed her and came into the yard despite her roaring through the fence at them. She does. Not. Like. Intruders.
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Old 07-09-2012, 12:50 PM
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I knew of one American Bulldog, possibly mix. He was a dork. Completely and utter derp. Smart, though, super smart and picked up on basic things very quickly. Very athletic, always loved attention and exercise. Horribly SSA, though. That's about all I got, I'm sure others will chime in, though. Picture of the White Boy. Yes, those scars are due to wars. He was my surrogate boy. Would havetaken him in a heartbeat ifI could. ]
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I don't know the difference between american bulldog lines, but will say that the ones I have met were very dedicated guard dogs. Completely different from ohmygoshsohappytoseeahuman pit bulls. My cousin has a female Johnson and she would probably back up her bark if someone pushed her and came into the yard despite her roaring through the fence at them. She does. Not. Like. Intruders.
This wouldn't bother me, but good to know. If I won't have Chloe with me, I actually want to have a protective dog.
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Old 07-11-2012, 08:17 PM
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to the best of my knowledge the leavitt/hermes is the oldest line of recreated bulldog but there are alot of them: olde, old time, old tyme/dorsett, original, old boston, valley, victorian, old english red, gargoyle & a few others i can't think of off the top of my head. the goals varied from a healthier type of english bulldog to "recreating" the old bullbaiting/butcher's "british bulldog." the breeds used in the creation of the various lines/breeds were english bulldog, bullmastiff, boston terrier, boxer, APBT, AmStaff & staffybull. so temperament & personality will vary widely even within one breed.

the american bulldog is allegedly descended directly/enyirely from the old butcher's bulldog. but anyone that thinks no game bulldog was bred in is fooling themselves. the johnson line also had english added from AKC ch high hopes. there are rumors st bernard & bullmastiff were added too. i've seen some fuzzy johnson dogs that make the st accusation likely true.

the alapaha is basically like the recreated oldes but uses mostly AB, pitty, a little EB & catahoula. the houla in them can make them stranger unfriendly.

the arkansas giant bulldog is just EBXpit & the catahoula bulldog is houlaXAB. tons of hog dogs are catahoula bulldogs w/o the fancy name & big price tag.
ETA banter bulldog is a linebred mix of boxer, AB & APBT. the breeder's focus was weightpull & he dallied in PP sport.
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Old 07-11-2012, 08:31 PM
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Too bad SisMorphine isn't here to expound on the Alapaha
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:00 PM
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Thanks for that, Pops! Helped clear up a lot, actually.
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:33 AM
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A friend of ours has two White English Bulldogs. They are very stout - a little stockier than some American Bulldogs I've seen. Very stable, balanced dogs. She does agility, obedience, and herding with them. They're also her chores dogs around her hobby farm and aid in putting animals away, watching over their ducks and chickens, and I know they were great and very tender with a bottle lamb she had. She recently got an American Bulldog puppy who she hopes will have the same kind of farm utility capabilities.
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I met an American Bulldog today in at work (poor thing has had two knee surgeries and now has something wrong with her hip - and she's only two years old). She was such an AWESOME dog. Happy, goob, so athletic and fit, and her temperament was just awesome. We x-rayed her hips and stifles without sedating her and although she thrashed around - a LOT - we were able to hold her on her back without her even once getting snippy/aggressive about it.

Do they typically make good all around dogs? I'd be interested in a dog that is athletic, able to settle in the house, good with kids, good with family pets, protective, and able to compete (as a hobby/not really competitive) in obedience/rally/whatever.

One of the reasons I'm looking at alternative bulldogs (as opposed to a rescue Pittie or what not) is two fold: one, I'm hoping the chance of inter-house dog aggression is not as high, and two, the likely hood of the breed being denied by insurance/land lord/etc. is a heck of a lot less likely since they aren't a "known" breed.
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Im going to talk about the American Bulldog as the is the breed I know most about.

There are really 3 main "types":

The Classic/Johnson line - These dogs look more bullyish, they tend to be bigger and have flatter faces. Some people refer to these dogs as the "junk yard dogs" as they have that big intimidating look.

The Standard/Scott/Performance lines - These tend to be smaller and more athletic then the Johnsons dogs, people say they look similar to Pit bulls. These are usually the type you see out doing agility/protection/whatever sports.

The Hybrid lines - Just like the name suggest these dogs are a mix of the Johnson and Scott lines.

Theres also the Southern White and Painter/Margentina lines but I dont know much about them.

My personal favorite are the Standard/Scott/Performance lines because well I like my working dogs =)

As far as the temperament difference between the lines, I dont know much about the Johnson lines but Scott type dogs are working dogs. They should have good drive, solid nerve and be intelligent. They arent a breed I would give to a typical pet owner. As with out proper care this breed can become aggressive.

And I would say with the right owner this breed would be fine in a home environment or as a competition dog.

Here are three of my favorite AB breeders that I would suggest checking out:
http://www.kiwsabs.com/
http://www.v-abs.com/
^Those two are more on the protection side of the breed
http://www.norcalsbulldogs.com/main.html
^While Norcals dogs seem to do everything


(Im still kind of a newbie to the breed so if I said anything wrong dont hold it against me )
I'm pretty sure I like the Scott lines, in terms of looks, anyway. When I think "American Bulldog", that is what comes to mind. That's also been the style I've met. 'Course, I'm also pretty sure all of the ones I've met have been pet/BYB bred.
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