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Old 06-27-2012, 10:51 PM
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How did you/do you train them? Pros and cons, things you would do differently? Did you mix methods, or stick with one?

I'm looking for advice for myself, of course, but I also just thought this would make a nice topic for those that do agility and those that are interested. Please feel free to include videos as well!


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Old 06-27-2012, 11:02 PM
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2x2s. There was 2 ways my instructors offered to teach it, 2x2s or gates. Izzie's eye issue made me decide to do 2x2s as i knew the gates would freak her out. We didn't do it as religiously as the dvd recommends but she was weaving 12 poles relatively consistently in about 2 months (given that she's a lower drive dog with a visual imparement I was okay with that progress). Her entries are awesome though and her speed is really coming up. I'd say it was a bit more difficult as she's not a super toy motivated dog so I had to use a goodie container, the downside is that it's not rewarding until I can open it for her.

Here's video of her weaving from a couple months back, yes my poles are the wrong spacing (21") but she doesn't have an issue. She learned on stick in the ground electric fence posts lol.

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Old 06-27-2012, 11:29 PM
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I'm taking it slow messing around with 2x2s just for the training experience..not sure I'll ever be at a point to do agility with Romeo though. I like the method a lot..there is no rushing things or cutting corners though. Make sure the dog understands thoroughly before progressing. There's quite a few good youtube tutorials.
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:32 AM
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I love the 2x2's, but the dogs that do the best with this method know how to free shape and blow off a failure and be eager to try again. The best results come from the handler having a very good understanding of the method and doesn't take short cuts.

This is my young dog the 2nd time she had been asked to do 12 poles.

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Old 06-28-2012, 04:58 AM
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I free-shape the poles upright and in line. I did it with both Meg and Gusto, and am very happy with the results for both of them. More than happy with Gusto, in fact!

I need to get some video of Gusto now. I only have 6 poles at home, and this video is from something like his 6th session (10 minute or so sessions). His poles at practice where we have 12 - 24" poles make me giddy. He drops his whole body down about four inches and keeps his head low and just drives straight through them. In this video, he's still a little hopeful he's going to get rewarded after each pole so he's bouncing further around them than I like (okay, 6th session, I 'like' this just fine!). Now he gets mad if I interrupt him mid-poles to reward.

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Old 06-28-2012, 08:04 AM
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2x2's all the way. I've taught my 2x2 class for almost 2 years now and have successfully gotten every dog that has come my way to do their weaves. I have a huge variety of students from unmotivated frenchies to balls to the wall malinois. I have a lot of experienced agility people who have always used other methods switch over after taking my class as well. My theory is that if I could teach two great danes how to weave with this method, any dog can learn it!
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:30 AM
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Kim learned channel weaves + weave-o-matics. Then retrained 2x2 to get better entrances.

Webster tried to learn channels and it just did not compute. He then relearned with 2x2s. He's the first dog I trained with 2x2s

Mira learned via 2x2s from the beginning. By that time I was very comfortable with that method and she was the perfect kind of dog for it -- focused, understood shaping, high high toy retrieve drive. And her weaves are great though her rhythm isn't quite as good on mats...we're not on mats very often and I don't think she likes the relatively poor traction...very reliable but she will sometimes switch between single and double striding mid-weave. Her independent entrances are to die for.
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2x2s as well. Here's a video of where Cohen was at after working on 2x2s for 1 month, taken 1.5 years ago or so. We started working on them in my dining room since it was winter and the ground was nothing but mud - I'd probably do it differently if I had to do it again. But I'm very pleased with her pole performance. Her head is a bit high, but it gets the job done.

http://youtu.be/E_GM5M6VEr4

Her entries are great. Lately she's been popping out a bit early when she's too high and I pull too far ahead, so I need to go back and proof them a bit more.

I can send her to the poles from quite a distance and she'll always drive to them and nail her entry. I love me my 2x2s.
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:49 PM
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Weave-a-matics...cause that's what I have in the yard

I do some 2x2 style entry work and some channel w/out guides if I'm at the training club. What I'm doing differently is working on 12 independent poles from the beginning. Independent meaning the dog is learning to drive forward through the poles regardless of where I am or what I am doing. So slanted poles, dog runs through while I stand at the entry, while I run on either side. while I stand still in the middle, at the end, etc, etc.

I've toyed with the idea of 2x2s but really, I think you can get good weaves with whatever method you use providing you develop that independence. I neglected to fully develop that with Whim on 12 poles because I only had 6 poles at the time and it's taken me quite a bit of training to "fix" her poles now.
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I did free shaping with both Hawkeye and Kechara. Here are videos of both of them (note the videos were intended to show foot timing but you can ignore that part.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0syZrFIWrFc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UIp5ZZ2Ozc
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