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Old 07-03-2012, 09:16 PM
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I've read/heard conflicting things on this subject, so I thought I'd consult other Chazzers....

Among the three main "bully breeds"-American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier, is there a difference in levels and intensities of dog aggression in general?
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:18 PM
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Not really by breed as much as breeding styles and lines.

My staffordshire was very hot tempered and a horribly intense little fighter when offered the chance.

Rescue pit bulls can be found all the time with pretty cold game, not seeking a fight(no reflection on how well they fight), but you can also find some seriously DA APBT in rescue and with good breeding.

Amstafs are *supposed* to be less aggressive but that too is not fool proof, ime.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:30 PM
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I have met some of the sweetest pittbulls and other bully breeds that people list as "dangerous". The very very few that I have met that were aggresive was only because they werent trained young or worked with at all till they grew up and became a problem.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:38 PM
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My APBTS have almost always had some level of dog aggression. I can only think of one that didn't and she was a street mix, so not really an APBT.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:42 PM
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I have nothing to contribute but I think this is immensely interesting. I absolutely LOVE APBTs but may not ever own one due to this problem and me wanting to own multiple dogs without C/R if possible. Same thing with cattle dogs..
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:51 PM
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See, Sally in the only one I've ever owned, and she is dog selective. I got her at about a year and know nothing about her history, but I suspect she is a street bred "pit bull." Her dog issues only extend to strange dogs though-she gets along very well with Jack. BUT, Jack is very socially laid back and never directly challenges her (instead of challenging her when she takes his Nylabone away, he waits until she turns to groom herself and takes it back-lol).

Honestly, I've come to the conclusion that the "bully" breeds are awesome enough to make dealing with dog aggression worth it, but don't want to deal with DA in non-bully breeds.
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Old 07-03-2012, 10:14 PM
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98% of my dealings have been with APBTs and the street bred types. I definitely haven't seen much with the street bred type, or the 'American Bully' type (selected for heavier bone and whatnot). I haven't seen a lot of reactive APBTs but I do see when owners try to let them sniff other dogs on leash, they snark or snap.

I have met some serious, serious Bull Terriers though. It is probably a combination of factors, but I've met some totally outrageous DA bull terriers.
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From everything I've read and people we've consulted with Sophie is considered an American Staffordshire Terrier. Her dog reactivity is mixed. On leash she sounds like a total nut job when she sees another dog...although the times when she has gotten out of her collar and run towards another dog it was just to be barky, no attack even though she had the chance. Off leash she is wonderful with any dog, especially on trails, sniff sniff wag wag and she is happy to go on our merry way. In the car at night, nobody human or animal can approach the car...well nobody in their right mind...during the day, like at a drive through window she just smiles and wags.
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We have quite a few Pit Bulls come from the boarding facility, and it seems to be mixed. I'd say about a third of them show signs of being truly DA (aka, not just selective or reactive). The other third are DR/selective (which, in the boarding environment, a LOT of dogs are) and then the last third is nonchalant and doesn't give a crap about other dogs.

Honestly, most of the Pit Bulls I've interacted with have been no more or less DA/DR than "normal" breeds. I think I've met just as many DA Pitties as I have Labradors. But, the Pitties I typical interact with are your typical "pet bred" pit bulls, too, not your intense game Pits.
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Old 07-04-2012, 09:29 AM
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Well, I can say managing a daycare that (gladly) accepts bully breeds, I have had the "daycare just isn't the best place your dog" talk with a disproportionate amount of owners of pit bull type dogs. We have NEVER had a human aggressive or sketchy pit bull type, but we have had several pits who presented with some type of dog aggression that made daycare not an option. This does not surprise me; I'm a great fan of the breed/type and well aware of their tendencies. We still give the breed/type a fair shake at work, though.

Very often, unfortunately, the dogs appear to be totally dog friendly to their owners, because their owners only see them play with 1 or 2 dogs. And with 1-2 dogs, they're fine. But the thing about bully breeds, IME, is that their arousal threshold is low, and they go from playing to fighting quickly. For many of them, daycare was just way too stimulating, and they went from "let's play" to "let's brawl!" far too easily. And then it can be really to hard to get them to come down from "let's brawl!" For these types of dogs, half the time, fighting IS good times, so it's definitely shades of gray vs. black and white. Which, again, can make them difficult in a daycare setting.

That said, most of these dogs are not leash reactive and probably very capable of playing with a few dog friends (supervised). Just not good for daycare, which is a very specific environment.

We've never had one that was human aggressive, however. Most are absolute joys when it comes to body handling, etc, and you can get them out of a scrap quickly knowing they won't bite you. Even the pet bull, street bred types have been pretty dependable with people IME.

ETA: We did have one dog that I sent home permanently because I suspected he was about to get very serious with other dogs. He was a petite (35 lbs) solid black little dog who looked very much like a classic APBT that had come up here from "a shelter down south". Gorgeous dog and in absolutely amazing physical condition... and totally ready to rumble with the other dogs in that unique APBT way where you never doubt they're having fun, LOL. Too bad, he was a gem with people and sooo cute.
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