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Old 07-03-2012, 08:16 PM
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I was actually really shocked to learn that most dog breeders don't even bother checking a pregnancy until right before the due date, and some of them don't even do that. There's so much more work involved in horses!
I think the two big reasons for that is that since horses carry for a lot longer, and don't always 'show' very well, it's more convenient to ultrasound and make sure there's a bun in the oven (or not). And, the biggest thing is to check for twins or triplets and terminate or try to pinch one off.
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:05 AM
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Most people shoot for two or three ties across 4-6 days and pretty much call it good. More is just unnecessary and risk. Most old time breeders I know will let a young stud out with a bitch for as many days as she's willing to stand and others use the every other day approach with older males.
Would you mind expanding on the risks? I don't know much about breeding and I'm curious.
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Old 07-04-2012, 08:02 AM
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I think the two big reasons for that is that since horses carry for a lot longer, and don't always 'show' very well, it's more convenient to ultrasound and make sure there's a bun in the oven (or not). And, the biggest thing is to check for twins or triplets and terminate or try to pinch one off.
Totally agree. As twin don't survive.. If you paid a $1500 stud fee, you want that foal to make it, and don;t want to wait most of a year and have none in the end.
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:01 AM
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Would you mind expanding on the risks? I don't know much about breeding and I'm curious.
The main thing I think is that the eggs aren't all released at the same time and some can be fertilized earlier than others possibly making some puppies not fully mature at birth. I honestly haven't done too much looking into that theory, so I'm not sure if it is relevant. Some bitches will stand for 10 days if you let them, when they aren't necessarily ovulating for 10 days.

The main reason breedings are done every couple of days over about a 3-5 day period is because 9 times out of 10 you had to ship your bitch to the stud dog and they stay for about a week before being shipped back home. Or, if you're doing an AI most of the time you get two shipments of semen and do your breedings a couple of days apart to ensure that you got your bitch covered during the fertile days.

Incidentally I know a breeder who recently had a litter. The first 3 pups were born lets say on a Monday. They thought she was done, went to bed and came in the next day to 4 puppies. Then, no joke, Thursday a 5th puppy was born, live and well. All 5 pups are doing great, and mom is healthy. The first 3 were born early, the breeder had the xray scheduled for that morning and woke up to mom being in labor.
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:11 AM
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I have not allowed her to be covered the full time she has been standing. As per the advice of the fertility vet I allowed her to be covered 2 days after she started standing and allowed it for 3 days then pulled.

She will be allowed to stand again tomorrow if she wants to but so far she doesn't want anything to do with him. I confirmed this with my breeder and she agrees that its the best course of action.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:27 AM
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I have not allowed her to be covered the full time she has been standing. As per the advice of the fertility vet I allowed her to be covered 2 days after she started standing and allowed it for 3 days then pulled.

She will be allowed to stand again tomorrow if she wants to but so far she doesn't want anything to do with him. I confirmed this with my breeder and she agrees that its the best course of action.
That makes sense. It sounded a bit like they were just together for all that time.

Heartbeats are not visible on ultrasound until 26-28 days, that is really why most vets wait until day 30 to check. Yes, fetuses can be picked up earlier than that, but I like to know they're ALIVE.

As far as someone asking about dangers of too many ties, this is what I have found, from a transcript of an Online chat with Dr. Robert Hutchinson, a Reproduction Specialist. (http://www.doghobbyist.com/CanineRepro.html)

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DrHutch: A normal male has a sperm reserve of semen he made months ago, so the average male could be used twice in one day
DrHutch: or could be used 4-5 days in a row without doing any damage
DrHutch: but since it takes a male around 55 days to make a sperm cell
DrHutch: if you overuse your male, you are putting yourself out of breeding commission for a minimum of 2-3 months
DrHutch: there is no reason to be breeding a bitch 5, 6, 7 days in a row
DrHutch: because the length of semen life is multiple days, and with progesterone testing
DrHutch: we should be able to pinpoint exactly when the bitch is ready to be bred
I read from this, that if you use your male frequently the first couple of days, you might be dealing with less viable semen when she actually is ready to go. Extra fluid that is not getting her pregnant. Of course, since semen can stay alive for days, there is little need to have 5 ties the first day! (what would happen if you simply left the dogs together.)

However, makes you wonder, doesn't it, how far removed this information seems from canines in the wild, or stray dogs. They don't seem to be having reproducing issues, and you can bet they are being covered multiple times in a day, sometimes by multiple males.

Anyways, good luck with your upcoming puppies!! You're about 30 days behind my litter.
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Old 07-04-2012, 12:10 PM
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No puppies. A vaginal swab showed she is exiting heat already. Apparently it is a side effect of Delvosteron and she should cycle normally in about 5 months.
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No puppies. A vaginal swab showed she is exiting heat already. Apparently it is a side effect of Delvosteron and she should cycle normally in about 5 months.
Does this mean she never ovulated?
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Totally agree. As twin don't survive.. If you paid a $1500 stud fee, you want that foal to make it, and don;t want to wait most of a year and have none in the end.
Yep. One if the trainers at the barn didn't ultrasound her mares for a couple years. She ended up with one set of twins that both survived but were small (dam was an Oldenburg, sire was an Arab) and one set of twins where one died and one survived (dam was a TB, sire was an Oldenburg/arab cross, full brother to the previously mentioned surviving twins). The surviving twin is as an adult noticabley smaller than her older sister (full sibling).
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Does this mean she never ovulated?
Sadly. Yes.
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