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Old 06-24-2012, 06:38 AM
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You can't just set him up in an uncarpeted room overnight? I'd rather clean the floor than a crate....
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Old 06-24-2012, 08:42 AM
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I put him in the bathroom and the same thing happened. ):
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Old 06-24-2012, 08:46 AM
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Go back to crate basics. If he's pottying in his crate every 6 hours, try taking him out every 5 hours. Could be you advanced to fast and he hasn't learnt to hold it for that long. I also second Kat's suggestion to get his poo checked.
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:49 AM
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Depends on the day...but this is a rough (not exact) summary.

On days I work nights:

(8 am) Taken out on the morning.
(8:30 am) Fed.
(9 am - 10:30 am) Lounge around a bit.
(10:30 am) Outside again.
Play/hang around inside until noon rolls around.
(12) Long walk.
(2 pm) Taken out.
(3-4 pm) Kenneled and then I go to work.
(8-9 pm) Fed when I get back, taken out an hour after, then to bed.

On days I work mornings:

(7 am) Taken outside.
(7:15 am) Fed.
Taken outside an hour after.
(8-9 am) Kenneled and I go to work.
(2-3 pm) When I come back they go outside.
(4 pm) Long bike ride and sometimes the dog park.
(5-6 pm)(Training goes here on days that I do it.)
(8 pm) Fed.
(9 pm) Taken outside.
(10 pm) Bedtime.




Days that I am off are similar to days that I work mornings. We lounge around the house or go places with them. Boardwalk, the lake, the dog park...and all of that is a rough guesstimate. Every day is different depending on what is going on, but feeding times and potty times are always consistent.
If Iím reading the above right, it looks like heís in his crate at night from 8 or 9pm to 8am or from 10pm to 7am? Thatís 9 hours and more. I donít know any 5 month old who can hold it that long. Though in the thread Iím quoting you say heís 6 months. Still a long time for a 6 month old puppy.
Our last puppy would still have accidents at 7 months if we werenít careful, though sheís a giant breed and they take longer to mature.

Iíd check for giardia (though holding it too long can cause diarrhea too), re-crate train, and have a late night potty break or an early morning one, or both.
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:01 AM
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He is never left in his kennel for more than 4-5 hours.

My schedule is normally more sporadic because I have insomnia and never sleep.

Either way, here's last night as an example...

He had his meal and water at around 6:30. I took him out every hour until 10 pm, bedtime. (Let him have another drink at 8ish.) (So he had had 4 hours to clear all the food, and 2 hours to clear all the fluid out until bedtime.)

At midnight he had diarrhea and pee in his kennel. Cleaned it out, took him outside, put him back to bed. At 3 he had more pee. Cleaned it up, took him out, put him back to bed...

It's just ridiculous. I truly think he is sick. I'm not leaving him in the kennel for too long, he's not stressed in the kennel...but Giardia sounds very plausible or maybe his food isn't setting with him well. I just don't get it, it's almost like he holds some in. I see him pee and poop outside, but then he has more to go throughout the night... And he does it during the day, too. Not just at night. During the day when he goes outside a ridiculous amount, he still does it in his kennel.

Right now he is tied outside on his chain spot.
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:06 AM
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Then in addition to the giardia, Iíd have him checked for a UTI
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My first thought would be to do the fecal (giardia and coccidia would be my primary concerns) and also cut back on his food. If he's eating and eating and eating and not gaining any weight, then either is a naturally lean dog, or something is medically wrong with him (like worms). Either way, feeding him more isn't going to help. If you need to try to keep weight on him, feed him a nutrient/caloric dense food and/or supplement with satin balls (http://www.holisticdog.org/Nutrition...atinballs.html).

Kiba, the Pittie I fostered, was a naturally lean dog. He stayed at the same weight (borderline lean/skinny) eating four cups a day or eight cups a day. Didn't matter. But when he ate eight cups a day, he was pooping out of his ears. LOL His new family had him neutered and I'm assuming that cut his metabolism down as the picture updates the send me shows him with a normal amount of fat over his ribs, which was impossible before.

I'd crack down on re-house breaking him. If he has no den instinct, then it will be difficult. Cooper was never properly housebroken - he wouldn't go in the house, but that was because he had an owner equivalent to a doggy door. If he's left loose in the house over night, he'll crap on the floor. Luckily we don't have that problem when he is in his crate as he at the very least considers his crate his den, but we haven't had much luck teaching him to expand that concept to the rest of the house.

And if it only happens at night, barring any medical problems, I personally wouldn't be opposed to some kind of indoor/outdoor dog run for him. He can still be a house dog - no need to banish him outside and only outside - but just use the run as you would the crate. That's what we do with Rose. No fault of her own, but she's incontinent and the medications were hit and miss. When she's let out during the day she's fine, but over night and while we were gone long hours she'd leave a puddle and it was ruining the floor. So now she stays in her outdoor kennel as her "crate" and everybody's happy.
Even if it was a temporary solution while you worked with him on it, it would be worth it if it saved your sanity.
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Old 06-24-2012, 02:27 PM
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How many times is he pooping a day?

If it is more than twice...thay would make me think you were feeding too much which could be the source of the diarrhea. Maybe break his meals into smaller portions throughout tthe day?
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Are you living with a boyfriend/hubby? Anyone else? Can you honestly arrange for someone to stay at home with him for a few weeks and ditch the crate? Tether him to you 24/7 and train him that way. Maybe even paper train in an ex-pen or something..I don't really like that way, but it sounds like you need to do something different for him.
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He is never left in his kennel for more than 4-5 hours.

My schedule is normally more sporadic because I have insomnia and never sleep.

Either way, here's last night as an example...

He had his meal and water at around 6:30. I took him out every hour until 10 pm, bedtime. (Let him have another drink at 8ish.) (So he had had 4 hours to clear all the food, and 2 hours to clear all the fluid out until bedtime.)

At midnight he had diarrhea and pee in his kennel. Cleaned it out, took him outside, put him back to bed. At 3 he had more pee. Cleaned it up, took him out, put him back to bed...

It's just ridiculous. I truly think he is sick. I'm not leaving him in the kennel for too long, he's not stressed in the kennel...but Giardia sounds very plausible or maybe his food isn't setting with him well. I just don't get it, it's almost like he holds some in. I see him pee and poop outside, but then he has more to go throughout the night... And he does it during the day, too. Not just at night. During the day when he goes outside a ridiculous amount, he still does it in his kennel.

Right now he is tied outside on his chain spot.


Sounds like you should be waking up every 2 hours to take him out at night, too.

Is he making a fuss at all before going, or just going in the crate and THEN making a fuss because he's in a mess?

Even if there is medically something wrong, he's now learned to potty in his crate and you'll have to work really hard to backtrack that.
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