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Old 06-21-2012, 03:49 PM
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:36 PM
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That story was a bit difficult to follow in some parts, like it's a show quality Fila but then it's a Fila/"mastiff" mix? But it sounds like this is her second Fila and that the first one had some similar behavior issues but was trained using "all positive". It also sounds like she isn't that knowledgeable about the breed she has, considering she was upset it was implied that DA was a breed trait.

I don't like CM and have no doubts the methods he uses while they seems to produce results, can cause more harm than good in some dogs. I'm not saying that CM and especially being left at CM's doggy daycare didn't do more harm than good with this dog. I have certainly seen dogs damaged by poor training, heavy handed training, etc. I know a dog who pretty much flipped out to the point of no return after being left at a chain e-collar trainer's for a month. But it can be hard to say what's what with this story. I suspect it's a bit that the dog naturally didn't have a stellar temperament, combined with heavy handed training, being left for 2 weeks in a daycare setting where e-collars were used and perhaps badly misused, having an owner who doesn't seem to understand the breed, etc, etc, etc.
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Old 06-21-2012, 05:06 PM
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That's precious

I don't trust the idea that difficult dogs go off with Cesar's pack and within weeks they're all "cured" more or less. Every dog is different, Sophie is a group pack situation would probably be cornered into being a howling drooling mess.
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That story was a bit difficult to follow in some parts, like it's a show quality Fila but then it's a Fila/"mastiff" mix? But it sounds like this is her second Fila and that the first one had some similar behavior issues but was trained using "all positive". It also sounds like she isn't that knowledgeable about the breed she has, considering she was upset it was implied that DA was a breed trait.
Yeah that was also my thoughts. I also thought this was weird:

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Today, my dogs live with me in Brazil, on a farm. I have 3 more pure-bred Filas which I am attempting to teach snake detection, but all of them work with stock, in fact one of them got a 3rd place in a USBCHA event against 10 border collies, 2 rotties and 2 GSD’s.
I know filas were used on livestock but I wouldn't imagine they'd be successful at all at a USBCHA style trial. (Nor would rotties or GSDs)
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Old 06-23-2012, 10:18 AM
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Rottweilers are one of the oldest herding breeds. They were used to get cattle to the market and they also were guardians to the livestock. Of course, they were used for all kinds of purposes besides, pulling carts, protection and other things. And GSDs were used as sheep herding dogs. So, I don't know why Rotties or GSDs wouldn't make good herding dogs. Granted, maybe they wouldn't meet par with BCs.

Now, this one...ya gotta love. He got the message a little mixed up about Rotties' job of herding cattle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-hWFsM_3m0
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Rottweilers are one of the oldest herding breeds. They were used to get cattle to the market and they also were guardians to the livestock. Of course, they were used for all kinds of purposes besides, pulling carts, protection and other things. And GSDs were used as sheep herding dogs. So, I don't know why Rotties or GSDs wouldn't make good herding dogs. Granted, maybe they wouldn't meet par with BCs.

Now, this one...ya gotta love. He got the message a little mixed up about Rotties' job of herding cattle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-hWFsM_3m0
No one is saying they wouldn't be good at herding, it's just that some organizations have trials that are not accommodating for certain style of herding. There are trials that mark for things that a more upright loose eyed style doesn't work well with. Not saying they can't do the job, but that certain venues ask for different things.
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I see. Yeah, they do have different styles of herding, don't they.

Hey, did you see the video? It's super cute and funny.
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OMG that was hilarious!!!
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Now, this one...ya gotta love. He got the message a little mixed up about Rotties' job of herding cattle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-hWFsM_3m0
Maybe he was just making up a new way to herd. Instead of directing from behind he was leading them... They all were following him at one point.
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Maybe he was just making up a new way to herd. Instead of directing from behind he was leading them... They all were following him at one point.

That could be!
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