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Old 05-24-2012, 11:11 PM
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Do you guys do a down/sit or just a stand? Pros and cons? Is USDAA the only one you need a down for nowadays? I feel so far behind on the new rules.

My trainer is recommending a down for us because she says that dogs tend to hold the downs and sits better than just standing. She also says that I need to be able to build some distance with Mia while she's on the table because she's so fast, it'll give me some time to get out ahead of her.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:16 PM
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USDAA is a down, I can't remember what you need for AKC. CPE you only need to touch the table with one paw - though it's only used for games to stop time. TDAA (Teacup) we've done either sit, down, or stand depending on what the judge chooses.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:30 PM
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I train an automatic down, but I plan on trialing mostly in AAC where the table is always a down. l also plan on trialing in CKC where the table can have a sit or a down, but I'll just cue the sit.

Distance from the table is always good to train for. Really, it's like any other stay....you should be able to do anything without the dog breaking. I really wish all organizations would remove the table though, it's so boring!

Here's Pan shaping her automatic down.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWvANjSmWQo
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:32 PM
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AKC now has a position-less table so as soon as the dog gets on it, the judge begins counting.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:39 PM
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Stays are not Mia's strong point at all. I've had a really difficult time building any kind of stay with her and especially building a stay and then keeping her interest.

There's not many agility options in Oklahoma. Most trials are AKC, but that's even if we do trial which is up in the air completely because of her knees. So far we're cleared to play and she's been doing well with no problems.

I started today trying to freeshape an automatic down. She thinks it's boring.
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How is she with her positions (sit, stand, down)? Is she food motivated?
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:52 PM
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Very food motivated and she's good at going into a sit and a down on command. She just has a tendency to pop up and she always wants to be doing something. Staying still is always a challenge.
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I started today trying to freeshape an automatic down. She thinks it's boring.
Freeshaping IS boring. Why not capture the downs?

I taught Luna that the cue "table" means jump up on this thing and then do an automatic down. The good thing with such little dogs is that the possibilities of things to jump up on are pretty much endless - boxes, tables, chairs, really everything - so it's easy to find a way to practice.

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Stays are not Mia's strong point at all. I've had a really difficult time building any kind of stay with her and especially building a stay and then keeping her interest.
Not sure if this'll help, but you reminded me of a dog I worked with on stays earlier today. I've been working stays (among other things, of course) for weeks and still am not progressing very far..... He totally CAN do the stay, he's just not really interested; not distracted even, just bored. But it's difficult to make a stay exciting, which has been my problem with him.

I've been following the "rule" of training stay: teach duration first, then distance and distraction. But the duration part was the hard part for him. So today I decided to work distance instead. Where previously he could only do a stay if I was standing next to him, and only for a duration of about 15 seconds, by the end of my session today I could walk 10 feet away, and sit in a chair for over 2 minutes without even having to reinforce him.

Point is, you don't always have to play by the rules.

Again, not sure if this helps (and I'm sure you've gotten a lot of other advice on stays since that's not really what this thread's about *sorry for the threadjack!*), but it was on my mind so I thought you MIGHT be interested.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:58 PM
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Okay, on another tangent , have you ever done Susan Garrett's Crate Games? It's an excellent way to teach self-control and real understanding of the release cue.

Good blog post by a superb obedience trainer....http://denisefenzi.com/2012/05/15/ly...s-active-stay/
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Okay, on another tangent , have you ever done Susan Garrett's Crate Games? It's an excellent way to teach self-control and real understanding of the release cue.
I was going to say, I have never once taught or worked a stay with Gusto, and he's got a super fast table that I can lead out from past the next obstacle. Crate Games are the best for teaching stays. We were laughing at it in class last week. One of the dogs had never had the owner lead out from the table before. He followed her once or twice, and you could see the little gears in his head turning: "Oh, it is *this* game." And she instantly had a great lead out.

USDAA is the only US venue I know of that requires a particular position at this point. I'll keep my opinions on the "just be on the table" rules to myself Nearly everyone I know trains for a fast down on the table, myself included, but we have a lot of USDAA here.
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