Dog Site - Dog Stuff
Dog Forum | Dog Pictures

Go Back   Chazhound Dog Forum > Dog Forum News > The Fire Hydrant


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 05-22-2012, 11:58 PM
Equinox's Avatar
Equinox Equinox is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 2,370
Default

Took Tae Kwon Do from middle school through high school to a first degree black belt level before my interests wandered from sweaty work outs and hitting people to wearing high heels and working with dogs. Honestly, my assessment is similar to what Izzy's Valkyrie said. Commercialized, generic, family oriented.

Fun, definitely, and a great way to stay in shape for me because I really went hard on the kicks and punches. The instructors were incredible, just absolutely amazing in their individual ability. But the general class, yes, took about 3 years to get a black belt and really no one ever failed. It was a nice environment, but I wouldn't have gone if I had been really interested in the more in depth and philosophical/spiritual aspects of martial arts.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-23-2012, 12:37 AM
Romy's Avatar
Romy Romy is offline
Taxiderpy
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Olympia, WA
Posts: 9,812
Default

It looks like it could be a nice workout. I studied Tang Soo Do which is somewhat similar

It depends on what you're looking for really. Are you trying to learn how to defend yourself? If so, I'd stay away from the commercialized sport martial arts. The ones geared toward tournaments don't teach true self defense. I mean, it'll improve your general fitness which helps, but the real effective (i.e. crippling) defense moves are banned in tournaments. No knee strikes, things like that. And if someone has their hands on you, I don't care how giant they are if you're both still standing you can take out his knee pretty easily and escape if you know what you're doing.

Are you wanting to socialize with people and get in shape, and possibly compete in a sport where you spar? It could be perfect then. From my experience, the other folks at the dojo end up feeling kind of like family and that's awesome.

One of the things I really loved about my teacher and fellow students was how humble they were. My teacher had been studying for decades, but he came into class every day saying he knew nothing. He sparred with all of us, and always said that he learned something new every time he sparred with a student no matter how inexperienced they were. He studied under a much older grandmaster. Once we had a couple of years under our belts he started bringing in "grandmasters" from the McDojos who were like, "Hey, I'm grandmaster Smith and I'm 29 years old and have a 9th degree black belt." They'd spar with his students and get their butts handed to them, which was fun.

He taught self defense separately though. Most of it was for sport. Sparring was really fun. But the self defense moves, we practiced on those forever to ingrain them. And a lot of it was just practical good sense. Like, stay out of dark alleys and don't walk home alone at night. The rest was putting each other in various holds and rolling around on the floor for however long it took to break them. lol

One of the female students did have to put it into practice one night and she was waaay more coolheaded that I could have been. A strange man grabbed her arms from behind, and instead of screaming and flailing like she wanted to, she remembered what we practiced.

She forced herself to go limp and said in the sweetest voice she could muster, "hey babe, need anything?" Instantly the dude relaxed, and the second he did she ripped her arms free, stomped his knee out of the socket from the inside of his leg, and ran as fast as she could to get out of there. He couldn't follow with a busted knee, so she was safe. I totally would have screamed and flailed though.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-23-2012, 11:04 AM
FG167's Avatar
FG167 FG167 is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Jefferson, GA
Posts: 2,284
Default

This is super interesting. I've always been intrigued but was raised in a *very* small town with nothing much to offer in terms of martial arts. If someone wanted to learn how to defend themselves and get in shape but not necessarily get too in-depth with the spiritual stuff - what would you all recommend? I always feel like it would be awkward, I'm small so would I be stuck with young kids, a group of guys etc etc...(I'm female). I wrestled for one season in middle school and it was definitely made very awkward for the boys that I knew and the instructors. I don't want that atmosphere now as an adult.
__________________
~Falon~
Kastle (GSD) - Eden (Cardi) - Limit (Kelpie)
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-23-2012, 11:09 AM
Izzy's Valkyrie's Avatar
Izzy's Valkyrie Izzy's Valkyrie is offline
Very Food Agressive
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 5,751
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Romy View Post
It looks like it could be a nice workout. I studied Tang Soo Do which is somewhat similar

It depends on what you're looking for really. Are you trying to learn how to defend yourself? If so, I'd stay away from the commercialized sport martial arts. The ones geared toward tournaments don't teach true self defense. I mean, it'll improve your general fitness which helps, but the real effective (i.e. crippling) defense moves are banned in tournaments. No knee strikes, things like that. And if someone has their hands on you, I don't care how giant they are if you're both still standing you can take out his knee pretty easily and escape if you know what you're doing.

Are you wanting to socialize with people and get in shape, and possibly compete in a sport where you spar? It could be perfect then. From my experience, the other folks at the dojo end up feeling kind of like family and that's awesome.

One of the things I really loved about my teacher and fellow students was how humble they were. My teacher had been studying for decades, but he came into class every day saying he knew nothing. He sparred with all of us, and always said that he learned something new every time he sparred with a student no matter how inexperienced they were. He studied under a much older grandmaster. Once we had a couple of years under our belts he started bringing in "grandmasters" from the McDojos who were like, "Hey, I'm grandmaster Smith and I'm 29 years old and have a 9th degree black belt." They'd spar with his students and get their butts handed to them, which was fun.

He taught self defense separately though. Most of it was for sport. Sparring was really fun. But the self defense moves, we practiced on those forever to ingrain them. And a lot of it was just practical good sense. Like, stay out of dark alleys and don't walk home alone at night. The rest was putting each other in various holds and rolling around on the floor for however long it took to break them. lol

One of the female students did have to put it into practice one night and she was waaay more coolheaded that I could have been. A strange man grabbed her arms from behind, and instead of screaming and flailing like she wanted to, she remembered what we practiced.

She forced herself to go limp and said in the sweetest voice she could muster, "hey babe, need anything?" Instantly the dude relaxed, and the second he did she ripped her arms free, stomped his knee out of the socket from the inside of his leg, and ran as fast as she could to get out of there. He couldn't follow with a busted knee, so she was safe. I totally would have screamed and flailed though.
Awesome!

One of the students at the dojo I work at (Toshindo Ninjutsu) had a would-be rapist come up behind her on the local university campus. She broke his leg and ended up having to call an ambulance for him. Serves him right!

I agree, TKD is a mostly sport martial art (using the term loosely), there are others that are for self defense instead of show. You need to know what it is you are looking for when you look for dojos so you can pick your school, teachers, and art accordingly.

Pops is right too. You'll never use what you know if it doesn't become second nature. There aren't many schools that train huge numbers of students that can accomplish instilling defensive reflexes. If you're looking to be safer walking down the street, look for a small class size so you get one on one attention and lots of drilling in realistic situations (Randori is used in some martial arts. That is when one person is attacked by multiple people at once so you get a feel for how you react under pressure)
__________________
Izzy: BC/Retriever Mutt
Jade: DMH Cat
Tango: LH Tripod Chihuahua

Lacquer Ninja

Practice what you preach or keep your mouth shut.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-23-2012, 11:11 AM
Izzy's Valkyrie's Avatar
Izzy's Valkyrie Izzy's Valkyrie is offline
Very Food Agressive
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 5,751
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FG167 View Post
This is super interesting. I've always been intrigued but was raised in a *very* small town with nothing much to offer in terms of martial arts. If someone wanted to learn how to defend themselves and get in shape but not necessarily get too in-depth with the spiritual stuff - what would you all recommend? I always feel like it would be awkward, I'm small so would I be stuck with young kids, a group of guys etc etc...(I'm female). I wrestled for one season in middle school and it was definitely made very awkward for the boys that I knew and the instructors. I don't want that atmosphere now as an adult.

Small female here! Only 5ft and 110lb soaking wet. I can drop a nearly 300lb man in the dojo Look for martial arts that work on leverage instead of muscle. Two that I took/take and was very good at because I had better leverage on the bigger guys were Shodokan Aikido and (taking) Toshindo Ninjutsu. The moves in those arts work because the skeleton can only move in certain ways without breaking.
__________________
Izzy: BC/Retriever Mutt
Jade: DMH Cat
Tango: LH Tripod Chihuahua

Lacquer Ninja

Practice what you preach or keep your mouth shut.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 05-23-2012, 11:26 AM
CharlieDog's Avatar
CharlieDog CharlieDog is offline
Rude and Not Ginger
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Georgia
Posts: 8,993
Default

I took Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for about a year, and my husband still takes it. I enjoyed it a lot, and he loves it. It does require a lot of dedication to get to a level of competence though.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 05-23-2012, 02:45 PM
Romy's Avatar
Romy Romy is offline
Taxiderpy
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Olympia, WA
Posts: 9,812
Default

There's a guy around here that teaches a style he created called Gun Fu. He's actually my old teacher's teacher, and is a super gnarly old half chinese half mexican guy. I mean, this guy's hands have callouses on his callouses and he's built like a brick wall. My brother used to play baseball with his son and he used to let them break baseball bats on his stomach after practice.

Anyway, his style is all real fighting. He doesn't train people for competition. He told me once that if one of his students gets in a fight, someone is going to the hospital or the morgue but that he couldn't guarantee who it would be.

The moves they teach are lethal. It's involves a lot of grappling. The first move is intended to get the other person on the ground and expose vulnerable targets, the second and third are killing/crippling moves. There's no long drawn out matches. No sparring really. Just someone getting pwned in a couple of seconds and it's over.

Someone made a video of him demonstrating. It's not very flashy. He shows the take down and then slow motion points out what his next couple of targets would be (like stomping someone's head/neck). Most of those combinations would end a fight right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iQpp4P5Fqk
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 05-23-2012, 04:21 PM
Catsi Catsi is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 900
Default

Oh wow, lots of great info here! I'm running out the door to work, but I'll have a look through this tonight. It seems I'll have a lot of research to do about the different martial arts! I love how it's a whole philosophy with lots of different elements. I think it would be great for my discipline and for me mentally as well as physically. But I'll get back to this thread tonight!
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 05-26-2012, 07:09 PM
Snark's Avatar
Snark Snark is offline
Mutts to you
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Midwest
Posts: 3,697
Default

Late to the party but I haven't had internet for a week... Earned a 2nd degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do before turning to fencing full time. I liked the school we (brother and sister attended, too) went to, the instructor not only had a black belt in TKD, he had black belts in judo and hapkido, and taught those styles as well. All of his students learned the basics in judo (falling safely, basic throws, holds) and hapkido for self-defense. He also stressed the first rule in self-defense was to avoid the encounter if at all possible and always be aware of your surroundings. One of his instructors also liked to invite black belts from other disciplines (aikido, cali, etc.) so we could see the difference in styles and try some basic moves. It was always interesting and a lot of fun.

I would look for a school that focuses on traditional teaching methods (as opposed to competition only). Sis and I did look into getting back into TKD a few years ago but the closest school focused only on competition sparring, not technique or control - we were not impressed. Also, if the school tries to get you to sign a year-long contract or guarantees you a black belt in 2 years, run the other way!
__________________


I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but Iím not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. -Robert McCloskey
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 05-26-2012, 07:55 PM
yoko's Avatar
yoko yoko is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 5,299
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzy's Valkyrie View Post
Small female here! Only 5ft and 110lb soaking wet. I can drop a nearly 300lb man in the dojo Look for martial arts that work on leverage instead of muscle. Two that I took/take and was very good at because I had better leverage on the bigger guys were Shodokan Aikido and (taking) Toshindo Ninjutsu. The moves in those arts work because the skeleton can only move in certain ways without breaking.
I wanted to 2nd what Izzy has said here. I'm about 5-5'1 but weigh more. I have a knee that keeps me from running long distances. It was from an injury that I had back in middle school. I went to a few self defense classes and feel comfortable about getting away from someone trying to grab me and drag me off or trying to rape me. What I learned almost anyone can do if they can remain cool enough and none of it relied on being a larger/stronger person.
__________________
Thank you Vivien and Angel Chicken for the siggy! Also I have been frosted!!! And as of 9/13/07 I know the secret handshake!


Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:09 PM.


©1997-2013 Chazhound Dog Site