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Old 05-09-2012, 05:44 AM
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I feel safe speaking for mostly everyone in that we're not okay with puppy mill pups being sold at pet stores.
But how do you feel about it when it's "small" pets? Rabbits? Ferrets? Hamsters? Turtles? Lizards? Snakes? Gerbils? Mice? Birds? You get the picture of what I mean, lol.
Do you think it's the same or very different? Do people run what you would call mills for these animals? Are you okay with some of these pets being sold at pet stores, but not others?
When I got my bunny several years ago, she was a gift and came all the way from Minnesota. I assume she was bought from a pet store up there and it didn't bother me at all then. But an acquaintance of mine just got two rabbits from a pet store and I realized this time it did bother me. I was thinking of breeders and rescues and wondering what kind of background her new buns have. So that's what brought up this question.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:18 PM
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Check this link out. It talks about rats but applies to all small animals: http://www.jorats.com/forum/viewtopi...f209ff06596bdd

From what I understand it is the same all over, no matter the pet. Some stores get from local breeders. But in my opinion a quality breeder would want to know what was happening with their litter, make sure they get good homes, keep track of their lines, etc. Selling to a pet store does not provide such an opportunity. And so the back yard breeder is just a small scale version of the above linked. Maybe in better conditions if lucky.

Talking with land hermit crab owners, they are apparently wild caught since it is uncommon for them to breed in captivity and raising the young a whole other story. Some fish are wild caught too.

It bothers me a lot and I have purchased small animals and fish from pet store. At first it was because I didn't consider other options. Then it was because I thought adoption was impossible. Then it just turned into sympathy purchases (what some people call rescuing or adopting from pet stores; if the animal was purchased, it was no rescue it just made room for another animal and promoted the sale of said animal) as I began to realize my adoptions. Now I do my best to adopt no matter what. Fish are the hardest at times, but it can happen too.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:33 PM
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Pet store ferrets come from Marshall's Frrret Mills. It's an absolutely disgusting place where ferrets are free to breed to whoever, at whatever age, and then the employees guess their age to sell them to let stores.

IMHO, buying a ferret from a pet store may even be worse than buying a kitten or puppy -- not only are you supporting the mill, you are supporting Marshall's breeding laboratory ferrts, beagles, pigs and mongrels.

It absolutely disgusts me when people go on ferret forums and brag about buying a pet store ferret.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:34 PM
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All of my small animals I ended up getting off CL (ratties, snake, etc) and were being improperly cared for.

My fish have all been from LFS where they breed their own stock. Except I once got a betta from petco, and I STILL regret it!!

After living with my girlie rats I can't imagine them being stuck in a rat farm, they are SO affectionate and intelligent. They must go insane in that type of environment.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:51 PM
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I can't speak for rodents, but birds typically shouldn't come from pet stores either So many people see the cute birds and buy them without doing their research. Birds are SO much work, super expensive and live a very long time.... I would be really happy if pet stores left selling birds up to hobby breeders.

ETA: Most stores don't hand-feed their babies properly or socialize them properly, and if you think an unsocialized dog is bad... Try having an unsocialized parrot. They are still pretty 'wild' and revert back to instinctual behaviour very easily. Having had a well socialized, hand-fed bird and a non-hand fed bird, I will never ever have another parrot who wasn't hand-fed.

I have so much respect for people who rescue unfriendly birds. I couldn't live with one, do all the work and not be given back affection lol. Props to them, seriously.
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:07 PM
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I'll give Marshall's that much -- they breed for temperament firt, then colour. So their ferrets tend to be much friendlier than, say, Real Canadian ferrets ( which have, thankfully, for the most part shut down)

Then again, that has its downsides. I mean, look at Renegade. He shouldnt be alive
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:31 PM
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I work at a pet store. I don't care for Marshall ferrets at all, 99% of the time we don't have any ferrets, and the other 1% of the time we get Path Valley. It's illegal to breed them here without a license, so..there aren't really any local breeders.

Our bunnies come from a show breeder's culls, mostly. Some from other local breeders. Guinea pigs, my manager breeds some, once in a while we will get them from a decent wholesaler who usually has rarer breeds. Hamsters, mice, and rats from the wholesaler though occasionally we have a litter. The wholesaler breeds the rats. 80% of rats and 95% of mice go as feeders though..that kind of sucks.

We hand feed our baby birds from very young, obviously I've shared photos. We have nice parrots that are socialized and healthy. Offer a mix of pellet, seed, fresh stuff. Clean everyday, don't overcrowd.

Not afraid to get the vet out for problems, especially with birds. We've even taken guinea pigs to the vet on occasion...I'd say most stores won't for an animal that isn't worth even the cost of an office visit.

Oh..and we take in animals all the time. We take in a bunny or guinea pig every week probably, and adopt them out. Sometimes small rodents too. Birds, big and small, on occasion. We have an Amazon right now that was a surrender. We have some..animals I can't mention due to a pending case...from animal control. So...we definitely do our part to help the displaced guys.

So...I think our store is pretty decent for a pet store. We all take an interest in selling people healthy animals with correct information. I really think it depends on the store...some places are great, others are horrible. In Florida there was a store that even allowed smoking indoors, and the employees would smoke in the break room and on the floor after closing. I don't think I would purchase a critter from Petsmart or Petco...I don't think I ever have.
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:36 PM
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Yah... Path Valley is just another mill, from what I hear. Not as bad as Marshall's in terms of they don't keep as many ferrets, and they don't breed for labs, but it's the same thing in terms of quality.

I don't think anybody is blaming the pet stores, really. Well, I mean of you sell animals, it's not likely you'll be getting my money, and even less likely if you sell ferrets, but that's just because I cannot support a store giving mills money -- whether they take care of their pets or not
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:42 PM
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To be fair, 90% of people who own ferrets don't do it right, so I really don't expect a pet store to do it right. You have to really KNOW the ferret to know something's wrong before it's too late -- Heck, Ren was on deaths doorstep when I took him to the vet because he was beig cuddly. Rogue was dying of cancer and lung failure when I took him to the vet because he preferred to lay down oddly. I just don't have faith an employee at a pet store can have the kind of relationship with every animal that they'd know.

If I'm going to be spending thousands of dollars on a ferret within the first year of getting it,
I'd rather it be a rehome.
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Old 05-09-2012, 09:03 PM
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I think its all the same, they all come from crappy conditions but honestly for most of those species, options are limited. Where else are you going to get mice? I don't think reputable mouse breeders are common and shelters sure aren't filled with them.
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