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Old 05-28-2012, 12:54 PM
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I had a husky/aussie mix...Houdini wasnt the half of it. She was very much an indoor pet but she could escape out of anything. Several times we would come home to find her outside her crate but the crate all closed up and standing. She also would jump through windows. literally run through fences, chew out of crates/fences. etc. I loved her dearly but my goodness, she was hard.
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Old 05-30-2012, 01:17 PM
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Sibes are extremely independent dogs, so yes, definitely different from a GSD or a Golden. They don't give a hoot what you think or what you want them to do! They have their own mind, and the scary part is - they know how to use it! If they don't want to be in their crate, they'll figure a way out of it. They might scream for a bit, but when they get quiet...they are planning escape. If they don't want to eat, they won't. Extremely picky, and you can't wait them out. Stubborn, stubborn, intelligent an independent breed. Mentally AND physically, they are extremely demanding dogs not for the faint of heart. Usually around 10-16 weeks and they are getting dumped at shelters. The majority of the public can't handle them. They really make terrible pets for general owners.

Most pups will become packbound if they are raised together, though, that isn't just a Sibe thing. And especially, two dogs of the same litter are never recommended to stay together. The dogs bond to each other instead of the humans, or in siblings, they usually end up fighting.
Yep, I agree with this and the posts following with it 110%!!

Gonna be honest... getting two was not a very good idea. At all.
He's going to need to do everything seperately with them and he is in for a freaking TON of work.

I have mixes of which one is 50% GSD and the other is 75% GSD. They are pretty well velcroed to me. I would still never ever leave them loose unsupervised in a house or yard, no matter how well fenced. IMO no fence is truly husky proof.

They are aloof, extremely intelligent, and stubborn as hell. Pretty much everything that is the polar opposite of what this kid has grown up with as far as dogs. There is just no way he's prepared. I dearly hope if things go south they go to a good Northern breed or Sibe specific rescue. I'd like to be more positve, but given the dogs I own that someone else threw away (with one of them multiple rehomings...) and what I've seen happen to other purebred and mixed Sibes not my own... well lets just say I'll be be ecstatic if your nephew goes above and beyond and suceeds at this.

I would have recommended a trained adult rescue to someone who'd grown up with goldens and small dogs. But its a day late and a dollar short for that!

And frankly any breeder that would give a Sibe newbie not one but two pups... yeah less than impressed with that one.
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Old 05-30-2012, 02:52 PM
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He would never give them up and if for some insane reason he did I would take them. He was just not raised that way. I think there are so many terrible dog owners out there we tend to assume everyone is like that. Not me I would NEVER give up a dog. I also don't crate train I tried it with Gunner and it just did not work he is not crate training. They are in a big bathroom with a baby gate and pee pads because they are upstairs. When they are down they go outside to pee. I'm wondering myself if this will last or will there be a point they have to go in a crate or will they just be content with the bathroom.
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:52 AM
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I wouldn't doubt that your son would be a great, dedicated dog owner... I'm sure you taught him well! But it's going to be tough and it's better to be prepared and set yourself up for success than be shocked by two wild & crazy puppies.

I think crates would make raising those puppies MUCH MUCH easier!!! First, a Husky puppy will be able to climb a baby gate in no time. Fozz could climb a baby gate at 10 weeks, even with stubby little legs. Second, crates are awesome for giving each of them special individual time bonding and training. If the pups are taught that crates = amazing places now, they'll love their crates and it will make house-training a breeze. Puppies do not soil in their crates (as long as they're properly sized) but they will make a mess of the bathroom, and being around each other's waste in a small room could encourage coprophagia & very dirty puppies! Feed them in crates, throw treats into the crates, give them stuffed kongs in the crates, etc. Since the puppies are only 6 weeks, keeping them in the bathroom is fine, but they should be conditioned to crates ASAP. Once they're more mobile, teething and chewing and ripping up potty pads in a few weeks, crates will be very helpful for the rest of their lives. Huskies tend to be very destructive puppies if left to their own devices, and most cannot be trusted loose in a house for the first year. It would be very hard to keep 2 full grown Huskies in a bathroom all day! I can only imagine the state of the bathroom after that...
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:35 AM
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A crate with a husky is pretty much a NEED. They can be highly destructive, and not just when they are young. This is a working breed, more so than goldens.. They need to be occupied or contained. They are far more like JRTs than goldens when it comes to escape and mayhem. Only much larger

My little JRTs can go up and over baby gates often by 4 months, def by 6. Gates aren't going to stop a sibe if they are in anyway breed correct. THey are very athletic dogs.

I have raised multiple littermates together (Dekka & Snip, Kat & Solo, Dash & Bounce) its not really recommended. Its different than adopting two older puppies or two young adults. They bond and often are more into each other than the humans. It takes A LOT more work. Each pup should be walked, socialized and trained separately. Each pup will need one on one bonding time with humans WITHOUT their sibling around. Its more than 2x the effort to make sure you don't end up with dogs who have a great relationship with each other and find humans somewhat irrelevant.
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:31 PM
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I don't doubt that he's been raised to be an excellent dog owner. The point here is that Siberians are very very very very very much different than Goldens.

They are a hell of a lot more dog and I've seen even so called experienced Sibe owners not be able to handle them. Experience with goldens and small breeds can in no way shape or form prepare you for a Siberian (or many other working breeds for that matter...).

Maybe he'll get lucky and it'll be fine. Don't think its typical of the breed. Like at all.

I tried a baby gate for cat introductions/rotating the day I brought Lily home. She jumped over it in less than 5 seconds. Literally. Needless to say its still sitting unused in a closet.

You absolutely will need crates for raising these dogs. Siberian huskies are NOT golden retrievers. They absolutely will shred your house and possibly even rip their way out the doors or windows. And yes I had a close friend whose uncrated Siberian did exactly that! We went on so gd many Francis hunts. I loved that dog, she was so awesome.

There isn't a time when you suddenly don't need the crate either. They need to be properly contained when unsupervised for life. Period. At least 95% of them anyway. They were bred to run pulling a load all day, not to be house pets and sleep on the couch all day. I think its pretty ridiculous to expect them to be happy with it honestly.

And any outside kennel needs to be floored in cement or pavers and very securely roofed. Even then they could probably rip a hole in the seams if they wanted to. Every single Sibe I ran while volunteering at the shelter immediately surveyed the possibilities of weak spots in the fence in the dog yard. And that was on leash.

They are exceedingly intelligent and very much houdini dogs. They can climb very very tall fences and love to dig. Scout was left unsupervised for periods of time with her previous owner and dug out to go chase the neighbors horses. She's lucky she isn't dead. She knows how to open the latch on her kennel and its not the simplest crate latch ever. I've got that sucker reinforced everywhere and double lock it with climbing caribiners. I know for a fact Lily knows how to work hers, but she generally doesn't unless there's a real good reason to. I've had Scout open her kennel and open the door to my apt and bounce into the yard after us when we go out to potty in th yard when she's feeling spicy.

I would not consider ANY fence husky proof. Though apparently a lot of northern breed rescues think this esoteric thing exists. I frankly would not trust my dogs loose unsupervised in even a fenced yard unless they are tied to something they cannot move with a secure tie-out set up. Which they have at my mom's house where its safe to do so. And Lily chirps and makes other horrible husky noises when she's done with her bone or food or whatever and ready to come in. We call her Chirpy McChirp.

They don't obey mindlessly like Goldens and other retrievers do. The wheels upstairs are always churning and they are always asking whats in it for me. If they can work someone, they will. Oh will they ever.

They are pretty much the complete polar opposite of Goldens and frankly IMO take a lot more work and those of us who love the Northern breeds are considered pretty frickin' insane by fanciers of other breeds.

I know I sound pretty stringent, but I am so sick of seeing these dogs running loose about to get hit by cars, or dumped in shelters again and again and again because the shelters don't bother to properly screen homes and 98% of people aren't equipped to properly handle a sled dog's needs. I'm tired of seeing ill-equipped owners ruin good dogs with unrealistic expectations and subsequent overly harsh corrections, etc. I'm tired of seeing morons let their siberian roam because oh thats just the way they are. I'm tired of people laughing about the destruction of their house and yard because they won't give their dogs an outlet or properly contain them when unsuperivised. And it was a real **** joy seeing the damage it did to Lily to have her previous owner that didn't properly excercise, train, or contain her and then beat her and then dumped her when beating her didn't do any good. Gawd the look on her face when she figured out I wasn't going to dump her and that I gave her a "house" (her crate) instead of getting mad when she ate a bunch of stuff in the house.

Just please do the research and please raise them as Siberians demand to be raised. They are not Goldens or small breeds and are very much more demanding of their owners. In all honesty, they are working dogs and do not make good pets for most people. I will never be without a sled dog, but boy I sure wish they were less popular with pet owners because it sure hurts to see what happens to the dogs in the average pet home. They are many times more demanding than the dogs you are used to.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:07 AM
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We are not against crating and do have crates but I keep hearing they can't be locked in the bathroom all day but they are not they are with people 24/7 someone is always with them does that make a difference in using the crate? Everyone is still trying to figure things out. First of all they are amazing dogs VERY independent and yes I do see that they have a strong bond to each other and DO need to be separated they will be switching visits here. Now from day one (6 weeks) they have gone out to pee with the big dogs at night they go into the bathroom with pee pads and use them EVERY time!!! McKinley at 7 weeks figured out how to jump the gate but this bathroom is connected to a game room with nothing dangerous they can get into. The day they came home they figured out going up and down stairs the Goldens could not use stairs until they were about 10 weeks.My main concern now is the serious bonding to each other and when one is taken away they both cry so I am really thinking separate crates in separate rooms will have to be done. No digging chewing or ripping has happened but they do have lots of toys and cats to play with they LOVE chasing the cats. Now are pee pads not advised because it gives them the idea that peeing in the house is acceptable? We always used pee pads for the Goldens and there was more accidents then anyone would want. I have pics of them up in the picture section now. Both houses have fenced yards 6ft wooden and will never be left out alone.
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It's awesome that the puppies are rotating visits to your house! The socialization with adult dogs and time apart is very essential.

Maybe make a post in the puppy section with questions so more people can see it?

I only used pee pads when I was NOT home, for more than 3 hours. I put them in an x-pen with a crate, pee pads and chews/water/food. You don't want to leave them out all night every night as that's a lot of peeing inside! I would start crate training them (in separate crates) and take them out once or twice in the night. Don't give them any food or water 2 hours before bedtime. Take them out for a good 30 minutes to run, play and eliminate right before bed. Set an alarm to wake up once in the night, take them out to potty, and put them back in their crates with a bully stick, a stuffed kong or something to occupy them until they fall back asleep. I give puppies something yummy that will occupy them for 30 minutes or so, every time they go into the crate! This eliminates any crying. I would put them next to each other in the crates, covered with sheets. If they really upset each other and cry you might need to move them to separate rooms, or being next to each other might comfort them.
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