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Old 11-29-2004, 09:24 PM
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Wink Who are you buying your puppy from?

There has been alot of disscusion on this forum as to how are breeders classified and what makes them what they are anyways I found a website yesterday explaining how breeders are classified


Hobby Breeder : A breed fancier who usually has only one breed but may have two follows a breeding plan in efforts to preserve and protect the breed they are raising produces from none to five litters per year breeds only when a litter will enchance the breed and breeding program raises the puppies with pleanty of enviromental and human contact has a contract that protects the breeder, dog, and buyer runs a small clean kennel screens breeding stock to eliminate heredity defects from the breed works with a breed club or kennel club to promote and protect the breed and cares that each and every puppy is placed in the best home possible

Back Yard Breeder (BYB) : Dog owner whos pet either gets bred by accident or who breeds on purpose for a variety of reasons usually ingnorant of the breed standard, genetics, behavior, and good health practices byb's can easily become a commercial breeder or a puppymill

Commercial Breeder : Usually has several breeds of dogs with profit as a primary motive dogs may be healty or not and kennel may be clean or not dogs probably not selected for resembalance to the breed standard or for good temperment most sell to pet shops or brokers who sell to pet stores

Brooker : Buys puppies from a commercial kennel and sells to retail outlets ship pups by the crate load on arilines or by truckload throughout the country must be licensed by USDA and must abide by the shipping regulations in the animal welfare act even though they are required to be licensed some are not and that is against the law

Bunchers : Collect dogs of unknown origin for sale to labratories or other buncers considered much lower on the evolutinary scale because of much suspiscion that they buy stolen pets, collect "free" pets, and adopt unwanted pets from animal shelters for research at veternarian colleges and industrial research labs

Puppymill (pm) : Breeder who produces pups hand over fist with no breeding program little attention to puppy placement and poor health and socillization practices may or may not be dirty but is usually overcrowded and dogs may be neglected or abused because the breeder can't properly handle the amount of dogs they have often put down hobby breeders to make a sale

This website would be helpful to prospective puppy owners in deciding who they should buy their puppy from and how to tell who they are buying there pup from I am also going to list the website it would be great to check it out and it has some great information on buying from petstores and why it is not a good idea

www.canismajor.com/dog/puppynil.html

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Old 11-29-2004, 09:41 PM
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I agree and that is why I thought that it was important for other people to read this

I also agree that commercial breeders and puppymills are the same thing but the kennel clubs will not diferentiate them because commercial breeders have to be licensed like the brokers and because they are required to be licensed that makes them o.k. in the kennel clubs eyes which I do not agree with but that is the way the world works unfortunately so that is why they were listed seperatly from puppymills
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:14 PM
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Very nicely said
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Old 12-04-2004, 10:23 AM
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No truly reputable breeder (or decent human being) breeds dogs (or any other living creature) with Profit as the objective.
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Old 12-04-2004, 10:01 PM
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There are so many breeders out there that only breed dogs just for the money. I know that they do take good care of their puppies but it bothers me that they breed them on purpose and they will lie to customer about their weight and traits just because they want to sell it and make money.
I bought my dog from someone like this. He totally lied to me about the size of my yorkie. He told me that he was 10 weeks old but then I found out that he was only 6 weeks. He lied to me because he wanted me to think he was going to be a small yorkie and I would buy it because it's such a good deal. Anyways, so I went back to him pretending I was gonna buy another yorkie but it turns out that he doesn't even remember me at all so he was totally lying about everything that he told me the first time. He even confessed that people do lie about their age of puppies but he didn't know that i bought one from him. From that moment I have realized that he was doing it for the money. THank god he at least raise the dogs healthy before he sells them.
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Old 01-10-2005, 03:38 PM
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I researched different Papillon breeders every day for over 6 months before I found the puppy for me. I was disgusted at how many so-called "reputable" out-of-state breeders there were that didn't care to know who I was, where their puppies were going and how they were going to be treated. "JUST SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!"

I found that going to true show-breeders and asking a lot of questions (and listening to the questions that they asked of me) made all the difference. I had to wait but my W/B papillon puppy, Domino, is not only of great tempernment and personality, but he also is a wonderful physical example of the breed standard.

My only advice to anyone looking at purchasing a new puppy is this: Don't buy too cheap or too expensive; You have to find the right breeder before you can find the right puppy (small show breeders are the best!); and, Take your time - or you might end up with a 20lb yorki or a hyper min-pin!

By the way, Puppymills and Commercial kennels are a travisty to the lives of our furry friends! NEVER BUY FROM A PET STORE!!!
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Old 01-11-2005, 06:30 AM
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I remember once that i went to a pet shop to take a puppy...they didn't take good care of them...and its supposed that there was vet there that were taking care of them,they give the puppies for free so as to get money afterwards
yeah sure...i took the two puppies and left without vacinating tem there...I don't remember myself buying a puppy,there are many puppies/dogs that people dump everyday i prefer adopting those
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Old 01-11-2005, 02:30 PM
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I have 4 dogs. 3 of them we have had in our family for over 5 yrs. They are larger mix breed dogs that we adopted from the local shelter. 1 of them, our boy Jake, was actually on death row. A three time loser and had only days left. I will be honest, he wasn't the dog that we were going to adopt. But after the animal tech told us his story, we couldn't leave him. We love all our animals (2 ferrets included) and Domino, the only purebred dog we have ever purchased from a breeder, is no more or less loved.

I guess what I am trying to say is this - I believe that a mix breed puppy receives all the best tempernment/health benefits from each breed it has. Unlike a purebred puppy which can be overly/inbred with many bad traits both physically and personality - directly influenced by the breeder. If you love a specific breed and want a purebred puppy then please do not buy a puppy from a pet shop as you are then supporting the puppymill and commercial breeders. No reputable breeder will sell their puppies through a pet store.

God love the people that adopt unwanted animals from the shelters!
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Old 01-11-2005, 04:22 PM
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I see and understand where Serena is coming from with selective line breeding. However, I never stated that the mixed puppy is healthier or sounder. I merely said that there is more control in breeding with pure lines. The more popular breeds do have significant hereditary problems. The more popular the breed, the more b/y/b, puppymills, commercial breeders have a handle in the "production" of the breed. Not for quality but for the $$$$$$. You will never see a mutt puppy in the pet shop selling for $1,100. Just be sure who you buy your pet from. Who wants to spend thousands on a yorki that grows to be 15lbs or a schnauzer that goes blind by age 3?

Yes, mixed breeds are unpredictable in health and temperament because of the unknown element. That's why a lot of people prefer to buy more expensive purebreds because there should be a better knowledge of the puppy's hereditary background. By my own personal experience, I have had more friends/family/acquaintances complain about the physical and temperament problems with their purebred dogs directly linked to hereditary then with their mixed (most of those complaints are about temperament problems caused by abuse or neglect).

What ever our beliefs, I think that we can all agree that our only concern is for the health and happiness of the animals we bring into our homes and hearts. Purebred or mixed.
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Old 01-11-2005, 06:33 PM
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I respect your thoughts and views. However, I see that you do not respect mine (which is fine).

With every topic, there are always two sides. Factual data and expert opinions sit on both ends. I think that it is wiser to broaden our opinions with the opposite views of others than to convert those whose beliefs and/or experiences are different. I expressed my views as my own personal beliefs. Beliefs based on many years of daily experience with not only my own animals but those animals of family/close friends and friends who happen to breed.

Lastly on this topic, I did not incorrectly word my statement. I do believe that "a mix breed puppy receives all the best temperament/health benefits from each breed it has". I did not state that "mixed breeds are more healthy or sound" inferring that I believe that they are sounder/healthier than purebred. There can be significant problems with both.

I thought that this site would be a forum for which all can relay their thought, feelings and opinions without having to feel oppressed or rejected. It's too bad that sometimes people can't just agree to disagree with respect for one another - and move on.
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