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Old 04-30-2012, 02:09 AM
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The only thing I saw him do that I wouldn't do to my own dog was the way he seemed to throw a legit punch at the dog's face. That was messed up.

Blowing air in its face? "Kicking" it which really just looked like he was putting his leg on the dog's back? Playing tug? Not really torment.

The dog looked like it went after him because it was guarding whatever they had been playing tug with. Not because it was so abused and afraid.

Guy's a dick, but I've seen Cesar Milan do worse on TV and be praised for it.
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Old 04-30-2012, 02:14 AM
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It's funny, because that ending happen to me exactly at work a couple weeks ago. I was playing tug with an 80 lbs dog that I should have thought better of playing tug with before finding out his thresholds. He got WAY too over stimulated and ended up dropping the tug and biting down onto my shirt. He nicked my belly a little, mowed me into the wall, and kept tugging on my shirt. When I got him to release he stepped back, tail wagging, and picked the tug back up.
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Old 04-30-2012, 02:43 AM
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If that's "tormenting," and worth a 5 year ban from owning pets, plus psychiatric treatment...then I should be sitting in a padded cell right now and for the rest of my life, never to own pets again, because comparatively, I beat the everliving shart out of mine. Daily.
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Old 04-30-2012, 03:47 AM
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Abuse? No. People on that news page are getting their panties in a wad over "cruelty" that isn't apparent to me. Though IMO there was something "off" and I think there was a bit of tension and some misunderstanding of canine body language.
I played really rough with my Rotties and from a semi-aerial video it would not not look good.
I think the guy used some poor judgment, but from that clip doesn't seem to be abusing the dog at all.
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Old 04-30-2012, 05:46 AM
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Not abuse, but definitely teasing in some parts I think. The dog was wagging its tail, it didn't look too unhappy, but I think the guy took thing a bit too far towards the end, looked like the dog had had enough and wanted him to stop.

I certainly wouldn't go as far as abuse and banning him from owning dogs.

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Old 04-30-2012, 08:00 AM
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The punching in the face is the only thing I wouldn't have done with my own dogs. I've seen other people do it in play before, and honestly, I don't like it. HOWEVER, the only reason I wouldn't do that with my dogs is because if someone ever hauls back to punch them, I don't want them to have a play reaction to it. I want them to have a real "WTF are you doing?!" reaction to it. *I* will never punch them, but if some idiot thinks he can come into my house and punch Simi in the face, he's got something coming, and quite frankly, he deserves it.

The "kicking" was nothing. I do worse in play with Crash on a daily basis. I will be tugging with Crash and "Kick" him and put my foot under his belly and pick him up a little. He loves it.

I smack my dogs around in play, though. I'll admit to it. I know that from far, people think I'm probably beating them a lot harder than I am, but I will give Simi or Crash a solid smack on the side when tugging/playing rough.

Honestly, that dog looked like what it would look like if someone else tried to play with Crash like I do. Even now with Crash, if I get "scared" of him while we're rough housing, he'll follow me if I run away/back and jump on me. Much like that dog was doing, but Crash knows that at any time I'll say enough and that's it, and so he doesn't ever give it that much oomph.

Yeah, honestly, I wouldn't even call most of that teasing.. I'd do that with my dogs and they'd love it. All but the punch. But that's just personal preference, I guess. I do know a guy locally who will punch his dogs in play like that, and it's all fun and games to the dogs. They love it.

HOWEVER, if that isn't his dog (and it isn't, right?) I don't think he should have been doing any of that... but I pray to god people never get video of me playing with my dogs!

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Old 04-30-2012, 10:22 AM
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What I didn't like, was it said the vid was edited. So what is missing? (if anything). Guy is young and being stupid, it's ok to play with your own dog that way, not someone elses. And certainly not a dog that is chained and probably a guard dog for that business, not smart. I also don't think it was intended to be abusive from what was shown, just poor judgement. The punch? I would hope that he has a dog at home that plays that way and therefore it's acceptable. The kick? Agreed, seen CM do much worse.
I had a woman tell me, that she was going to call the cops.........because I was playing tug and slapping my dog in public. She thought I was abusing my dog, instead of getting offended I explained what I was doing and why. Also showed her that my dog wasn't afraid of me and it was training using rough play. Thankfully she didn't call
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:33 AM
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Guy's a dick, but I've seen Cesar Milan do worse on TV and be praised for it.
This!! He was playing with his dog... a bit rougher than I would've, but whatever, the dog was having fun. The dog had every choice to move away from his "tormenter" but obviously kept coming back for more.

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Old 04-30-2012, 11:02 AM
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i might as well turn myself in.

I can't say the play seemed to be the best in the world. Blowing air in the face is kind of dumb, but then I let my dogs get the water out of a hose on occassion just because I think it's kind of funny. But am being kind of dumb too.

This is what scares me about today's society. EVERYBODY thinks they know what's best for everyone else. Animal abuse???? What the **** ever. Nothing in that video remotely comes close to animal abuse. the comments by most of those people are made by idiots that think they know too much. I bet the have Sarah McLachlan commercial playing on looped DVR 24 hours a day. What garbage.

The worded description and what actually was occuring could hardly be further apart. I take very journalistic piece of garbage I read or see these days and usually laugh and then wonder how these people have jobs and what is the real story.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:56 AM
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Looks like playing to me. The guy looks like he doesn't know all the best ways to play with a dog, but its not abuse. That part at the end looks like overexcited mouthing, not attacking. I've had dogs actually CHEWING on my arm in over-excitement before.

There's a dog at FOHA who likes to play in the hose, I wonder if the people commenting on this video would consider it abuse that I spray the hose at her sometimes? She always lets me know when she's done playing by trotting just out of the hose's range.
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