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Old 12-02-2004, 01:41 AM
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Thanks for your many replies, you all. There were a couple of you that made it sound like I should dicipline him and make sure he doesn't do that anymore (pooping in the bathtub). I want you to know that this was not regular behavior. He did it early on as a rescue from the pound and I feel he was very smart to go there. He's never had a potty accident in the house (albeit a TUB when he did!) since. He's a very smart boy. that's for sure. :-)
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Old 12-05-2004, 08:39 PM
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Need to edit my last post... he only did this ONE time. He's a great dog. And Brent -- your dog was p*ssed at you to do that on the bed! I thought only male cats would do such "paybacks"... lol.
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Old 12-05-2004, 10:42 PM
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Hunter's always been a good boy when with his Grammy (once I learned to lock up ALL the dog food and knew he was always going to take up half of my twin bed) He's such a clown!!
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Old 12-06-2004, 09:40 AM
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Like I said, it only seemed to happen from anger. She has quite a personality as always. And like the saying goes, Hell hath no fury like a husky-shep scorned... Well they changed that a little to woman 'cuz it had better sound! Brent
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Old 12-06-2004, 10:11 AM
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I had a toy Fox Terrier when I was a kid who ALWAYS got even when someone got on her bad side. The best one was the time my grandmother (Nanny) did something to upset Mickey when we were staying with her one summer. In the middle of the night, Mickey found the exact spot Nanny put her foot down in when she got out of bed, left a pile there . . . then went to the front door and barked!

After Nanny got over the initial shock, I thought she was going to hurt herself laughing! She thought it was just hysterical that the DOG would not only harbor a grudge, but think through such an elaborate scheme to get even.

Mickey was definitely one of a kind
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Old 12-06-2004, 08:43 PM
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LOL! Serena, you've been fortunate. I've had a couple that definitely pulled a stunt or two out of spite (Mickey, in the post above being the most accomplished). I've seen cats do spiteful things, too. Even Purdue, the first GSD I had, pulled a good one off on my Dad.

My Dad was building a room and running some fence in the barn just behind the house we moved into when we moved to Tennessee. All three dogs, Purdue, Mickey and Morgan the Mutt, were just thrilled to spend the afternoon with him, cavorting and playing and getting in his way. Everything was wonderful until Purdue saw him hang the gate and figured out it was a DOG PEN. Dad finished up and went to work digging fence posts around the top of the driveway. If you've ever dug fence posts in clay, you'll have an idea of how engrossed Dad was in his work. My Mom, sister and I were up at the duck pen when we saw Purdue head down the path from the duck house to the driveway where my Dad was working. Purdue marched straight ahead, didn't look left, didn't look right; never wavered. He walked right up to my Dad, raised his back leg and SOAKED my Dad's leg. Then Purdue just sat down and looked at him.

My Mom, sister and I were doubled up at the duck house, trying not to laugh out loud and trying to stay out of my Dad's line of sight. He was yelling at Purdue, pulling his boot off and pouring pee out of the boot. Dad was still yelling at Purdue while he hosed his leg off and his boot out. Purdue just sat there and looked at him.
We finally had to walk down to the house and my sister and I made it without laughing or smiling, but my Mom has these humongous dimples. My Dad took one look at her, saw those dimples, blurted out "what are YOU laughing at?" and all four of us exploded.

Now, that was definitely spiteful!
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Old 12-06-2004, 09:01 PM
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I don't know, Serena, not being able to "see" what's actually going on inside those brains . . . all I can go by is actions and reactions, and I've seen some pretty good evidence. If they can love, and mourn and be happy, as they obviously can, who's to say that other emotions and motivations aren't part of their makeup? Who can really say just how different or similar they really are?
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Good point Renee however remember a dogs reaction is based upon physical surroundings, social pressures, opportunities ect...in other words they react at the moment...Love, mourning, and being happy are all in essence part of the emotions that they would expressed normally within the pack...
Hmmm, sounds just like a certain bi-pedal species, doesn't it?

[QUOTE]I'm not saying that dogs can't do things that don't seem like spite to us, what I'am saying is that is an emotion that is foreign to them... [QUOTE]

If you think about it, spite isn't an emotion; it's a reaction. The motivating emotion can be anger, fear, aggression, or the ever popular 'naner-naner-boo-boo' welling up from the four year old brat inside all of us.
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Old 12-06-2004, 09:54 PM
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Ooooh, Serena! I've had dogs that DID act hours - and even days - after things happened. And to be shamefully honest, I've never really paid more than lip service to the old saws about not being able to correct a dog unless you catch it immediately. I really DO have those discussions with mine, and things really do change! Truthfully, I get better results from our "discussions" when they happen some length of time after the fact.

You'd have cracked up at Buffy. Now THERE was a dog that understood cause and effect, held a grudge FOREVER, and had no problems keeping a frame of reference in that big head no matter how much time had passed. My first intimation of the depth of her understanding was one day watching her and Bimmer out of the kitchen window. Buffy had her little nests where she kept her stolen treasures from the trash. She was laying in one of her nests, sorting through her purloined treasures and Bimmer was laying in his favorite spot in the sun. As I watched them, Buffy got up, nosed around her stash and picked something out, carried over to where Bimmer was lying and put it down next to him.

Bimmer just looked at her.

She went back, nosed around and chose another item, brought it back to his spot and placed the second item next to him.

Silly me, I thought "oh, that's nice, she wants to share with Bimmer."

Bimmer, being quicker on the uptake than his obtuse human, stood up, glared at her and moved to another spot. Then it hit me! She knew she was going to get into trouble for being in the trash again and she was trying to frame Bimmer!

I realized I had two dogs who understood cause and effect.

Buffy never forgot which cows had done something to annoy her, either. There were a couple that got on her bad side at one time or another, and she made life miserable for them every chance she got.

Poor Bimmer mourns her still. If we talk about her around him he whines, cries and howls and to this day he won't lay in her favorite spot in the laundry room. He'll lay right next to it, but not on it. She was truly the love of his life. No matter how much he loves Shiva and Kharma, they don't take her place for him. I've wondered if part of that is the wolf blood, since they mate for life.

I think too many of our scientific experts and psychologists let their egos get in the way of realizing and crediting other creatures. Just think, in a couple of generations, the current philosophies of animal expertise will be considered just as crude as we now consider many of the training methods our parents employed (on us AND our companions).
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Old 12-06-2004, 10:32 PM
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Oh, I'd say they're definitely many lives ahead of us when it comes to living in an enlightened state! Shiva's an absolutely effective example of living Zen for me. Bimmer is much more responsible than I am; he teaches me every day and makes me stop and consider the outcome of my actions from his example. Kharma is very good teaching me to finish tasks and do them thoroughly, just because they are there. Very focused on the Way, she is . . .
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