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Old 04-19-2012, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by AdrianneIsabel View Post
Aren't kelpies similiar to but less, erm, assholish as cattle dogs?
Yeah, I think that was the intent. Other than color (15 yrs ago), the standard for the kelpie and the ACD was essentially the same. The dogs were of the same height and weight, used over rough terrain in Australia. I think kelpies were developed more for lighter stock, and yes, to be less assholish.

The BC stockdog trials will let anything trial if it works like a BC, so the working style has probably changed some over the years, but they were developed as a more upright, looser eyed dog than the border collie. I've seen a few work, and I haven't seen what Laurelin describes, some can be crouchy, but not near the extent of a BC.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:25 PM
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My in-laws have an English Shepherd that will be a year old next month. She came from a breeder/farm who raises sheep and cattle, and her parents seem to handle the stock quite well. Her parents are as the breed should be, all purpose farm dogs. They herd the stock, guard the farm, work as pest control, and will even tree varmints. My in-laws have retired and sold off their stock, but Cassie is still a nice well-rounded country dog.

I've never watched her interact with strangers, as it's always just us when we are out there. I'll have to ask about that.

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Old 04-19-2012, 02:45 PM
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I've never owned any of these breeds, but some of my reasons for wanting/getting a Koolie next year is that the breed:

- Does not seem prone to dog reactivity or aggression at all
- Is known for a stable temperament and thus should not be spooky with noises, things or people (or anything else) and if spooked, should recover well
- Is known to be friendly with strangers (after Dance, I am trying hard to avoid having another shy dog)
- Is not quite as creepy crouchy in their herding style (doesn't really matter, but my preference is for more upright)
- Is high energy with seemingly good off switches
- They live to have fun and appear to have a huge zest for life
- Does not seem to be as prone to neurotic, OCD behavioural tendencies when compared to certain other herding breeds

And there are probably more reasons that I just can't think of right now. At home I had a document that I made to compare what I'd learned about Aussies, BCs, Koolies and Kelpies when I was trying to decide which one would fit me best, and Koolies came out on top. I knew I wanted a herding breed, but there was always just something that didn't quite fit until I decided to look into Koolies more. They all seem to have a lot of similarities also, and to be honest, I could see myself with all four of those breeds, but right now there are certain behavioural issues I am trying hard to avoid. Koolies just seem to fit the bill perfectly from everything I've read and been told about them. I am so obsessed with the breed. I never thought I'd be as obsessed with another breed as I was about Tollers, but I think Koolies might have almost surpassed that now, haha. It's taking everything in me (and a strict mom) to wait a year for my Koolie puppy.

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Old 04-19-2012, 04:29 PM
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You should find that document Toller and post it! Would be very interesting.

Soon I hope I can give a better idea of Koolies, it's hard when I only have my boy and all the rest of my info comes second hand from all the friends and breeders I know.
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Old 04-19-2012, 04:35 PM
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I am so interested in Koolies if it weren't for the excitement barking! I love their looks, love their work ethic, love that they aren't quite as quirky as border collies OR as emotionally connected (a big plus for a future service dog)... Just the **** barking!

I think my boyfriend's perfect dog would be a Koolie. In a couple of years I'd like to talk him out of a GSD and into a Koolie.
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Old 04-19-2012, 04:40 PM
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:24 PM
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These dogs seem to work a lot like the kelpies I've seen.

I've actually thought about all these breeds except kelpies. I don't know why kelpies have never been on the radar. Come back to BCs for a few reasons, but could see myself with an English shepherd down the road maybe.
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Old 04-19-2012, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FG167 View Post
So, would I like this breed better do you think? You know Kastle, more or less, and are aware of what I like/don't like in him...I think
Keeping in mind you are getting a sport mix and Jason is thinking of getting/will be getting a Malinois next... it depends

I generally would lump them in the same group as German Shepherds, whereas sport bred dogs and Malinois would be in a different group. Actually think that Maliraptor referred to the breed in your thread as the "original sport mixes"! LOL

English Shepherds, to me, aren't really a "busy" breed. More methodical, with those thinking qualities, and controlled even when working instinctively. Just as I would not get a German Shepherd for competitive Flyball or Disc Dog, I would not choose an English Shepherd as a specialized sports prospect. Easy to live with for most people, so long as they are well managed, but without a doubt still high energy, active dogs. Highly handler oriented. Like German Shepherds, some are hard, tough dogs while others are on the softer end of the scale, but I don't believe handler aggression is ever an issue (quoting Sit Stay here, "tough enough for cattle and smart enough for sheep"). Probably higher thresholds in defense, and fight drive/active aggression is not a trait being bred for, but these dogs still Get Things Done.

I remember someone on the German Shepherd forum posting about their English Shepherd, mentioning that her dog once slammed her out of the doorway and chased off a cougar sneaking around to the side of the house. Intuitive, tough dogs capable of intelligent disobedience and acting on a threat - the same person mentioned that her dog's grandsire stood down a raging bull, and had an uncle that treed a bear at 7 months of age. I know Sit Stay has mentioned Quinn to be an "old soul", and that I see the breed having gentler (for lack of a better word), Guardian type qualities but they are definitely working dogs. Think generic, all around farm collie. I don't think the breed has changed much as a whole. Sit Stay mentioned to me before that they were not bred specifically for herding, but rather for guarding flock (including their family) and hunting vermin.
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Old 04-19-2012, 11:35 PM
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I would be way more interested in a Koolie if it weren't for the barking.

If I am going to have a dog beating the snot out of my eardrums, it is GOING to be a corgi

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Old 04-20-2012, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Linds View Post

IMG_2655 by Traveling Koolie, on Flickr

5 by Buster-Quinn, on Flickr

Gotta be the barking and overfriendliness that puts Koolies down a bit on my list. Even with all Quinn's quirks and oddities, I love her full on BCness and I love all the things that make my mother so glad she chose a Koolie.

Now I have the conundrum of weather to get a kelpie or BC next. Lucky I have a few years to decide.

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