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Old 04-07-2012, 07:44 AM
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I saw on another forum this is an old method that didn't work well and didn't take off... ?
Yeah apparently it never caught on because it was causing tissue necrosis and abscesses in some treated dogs.

Something HAD to have gone wrong for it not to become popular.. too bad, because it seems like a great option for some.
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:59 AM
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It's a neat option, but not for rescues IMO. Well, not for the average rescue anyway. I'm not sure it would help with the hormone issues. Also, neuters are not really much of an issue to do to begin with... They are really easy as far as surgery goes. If vets would just stay reasonable in costs, neutering would be so much more sensible. Spays, on the other hand, tend to be more complicated.

I do like the idea of something like this for the fools who are attached to their dog's "manliness". But there needs to be a clear way for people to know they are neutered - in particular for the show world. While I might not always agree with dog show rules, I am against breaking the rules with something like neuticles, or this. I'd rather just see altered dogs allowed, or altered classes... But that's another can'o'worms
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:04 AM
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I will never understand why they won't do vasectomies and tubals for those owners who would prefer that. Especially tubals -- a much simpler and less traumatic procedure!
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:18 AM
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From what I remember, it made the dog infertile but did not stop testosterone production. Your average pet owner does not want to deal with the behaviors associated with an intact male dog and many are just flat out not equipped to deal with them. Besides that, neuter is a very non-invasive surgery and is generally pretty quick with speedy recoveries.
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:35 AM
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Bimmer is intact because I wanted to leave his hormones alone. It was very apparent that if he was going to live his life dealing with Fila bitches he needed all the balls -- and testosterone -- he could muster, lol. But he's never had any objectionable behaviors either. Always the perfect gentleman
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Bimmer is intact because I wanted to leave his hormones alone. It was very apparent that if he was going to live his life dealing with Fila bitches he needed all the balls -- and testosterone -- he could muster, lol. But he's never had any objectionable behaviors either. Always the perfect gentleman
I wish that happened with all intact male dogs. Your average pet owner however doesn't always have the know-how to raise a polite intact dog.
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Old 04-07-2012, 09:03 AM
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I can't claim any credit, Sara. He's just that way and has been from the time he was a pup <3 So was my first GSD, for that matter, and Bear, the GSD/Akita I had. I've been very blessed with my dogs.
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I think this could be a good option for offering low cost neutering in rural places.

I'm not sure what is supposed to be so difficult about intact males. I grew up with two intact male dogs and average pet owning parents. As a teen, we had three intact males and I was into training. Unfortunately, people in my 4H dog club and local training club convinced us it would be better for our dogs to be neutered and we had two of the three done. I almost immediately regretted it. They told me that my Collie's lack of consistency in the ring was due to hormones but the truth is, it was due to training and he didn't become more consistent being neutered. When I judge 4H in a rural IN county, almost all of the male dogs are intact and being handled by children and teens. Don't see too many issues other than some manly displays between a GSD and an Akita boy.

FWIW vasectomies are done on dogs but it's not easy (or cheap) to find a vet willing to do them. I know someone with a Terv that does SchH who had his done but he had to travel 5 hours to a reproduction vet and I think it was around $800 or so.
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I'm just speaking from the experiences I have with my clients, local pet owners. People who can't stop their intact dogs from marking or wondering. Easy things for most of us on this forum but not so easy for your average dog owner. Easy things for a home with structure and consistent rules to avoid or remedy but not your average joe.
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I'm just speaking from the experiences I have with my clients, local pet owners. People who can't stop their intact dogs from marking or wondering. Easy things for most of us on this forum but not so easy for your average dog owner. Easy things for a home with structure and consistent rules to avoid or remedy but not your average joe.
I don't know. My parents were very much average pet owners, probably more so than the people you are seeing because they never took dogs to training classes or taught them much beyond housetraining and very basic stuff (sit, down and a few tricks for treats). They got males because they didn't want to deal with girls in season and didn't want to have to have unnecessary surgery done. We definitely didn't have any sort of consistent rules or structure related to the dogs - they were pets and very little was expect of them behavior wise. Pretty much just potty outside and don't bite anyone Never had an issue keeping our boy dogs at home or with marking. The boys never sired any litters either. My mother's family always had dogs and they were always intact males, they never complained of those dogs marking or running away from home either. My grandfather always had an intact male pet dog in the time I knew him and no marking in the house or roaming there either. And he was a very much an average pet owner. My aunt, uncle and cousin also owned intact males for a long time, until their most recent dogs I think. And they never had any roaming or marking problems either. None of those dogs ever sired litters either. And since they never got into training, the expectations of their dog's behavior were always of the basic potty outside and don't bite anyone sort.
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