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Old 11-19-2005, 08:57 AM
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What a jerk!! He has no right to abuse your puppy like that.
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Old 11-19-2005, 11:09 AM
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No he doesn't have that right, but he's taking it. He needs to be exposed and those unknowing customers and potential customers need to be informed. He should be reported and stopped from doing this to other dogs. What a shame that there are still trainers out there like this!
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Old 11-19-2005, 11:09 AM
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There is no justification to lift a dog completely off the ground. Even when breaking off an attack, the most even the advanced guard dog trainers do is lift the dog's front end up a bit.

Hanging a dog in mid air, is just a cruel act by someone who can't control their temper. A good trainer would never do this, regardless of their choice of method.

I'm sorry you and Leo had to experience this.
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Old 11-19-2005, 04:14 PM
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I don't think the trainer did anything wrong. This dog directly has a historry of being dog two dog aggressive and that's actually a good way to handle dog aggression when the dog's small enough. The trainer HAS the right to break up fights whether that means picking the dog up. Leo picked a fight and was disceplined just fine for it. Chows are known for dog aggression, so the trainer reacted harsher than he would like a bloodhound I bet. Since Leo picked a fight, the trainer punished him by lifting him off the ground. I would have done the same thing if I was the trainer and ran into Leo picking a fight whether or not I knew if he had a history of it.
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Old 11-19-2005, 04:21 PM
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What a jerk!! He has no right to abuse your puppy like that.

Wait he abused your puppy? I thought he just picked him up!

From what I read I would have done the same thing. A dog that picks a fight needs to learn fast that is unacceptable behaviour.
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Old 11-19-2005, 04:28 PM
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The trainer immedietly grabbed Leo by the collar and held him up in the air.
I think that the trainer was dangling him in the air by his collar, like a hangman's noose. I think that's completely unacceptable.
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Old 11-19-2005, 06:22 PM
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Nope, sorry...but all fours off the ground, by the neck, is not appropriate. As I said, in certain situations a well schooled guard dog or advanced obedience trainer will lift the front end of a dog off the ground, IF they attack another dog or are completely out of control.

This guy needs to throw away his old, outdated Koehler guard dog training book, get hold of his temper, and learn a better way to handle the situation, period.

This is coming from a balanced method dog rehabilitator, me.
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Old 11-19-2005, 06:34 PM
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This dog directly has a historry of being dog two dog aggressive
Huh? Who said? Leo doesn't have a history of being dog aggressive. He plays just fine with all the dogs here in the neighborhood. He has played fine with the dogs at class until this weeks class. I don't feel that hanging a dog by his collar is going to do anything but damage him.

Yuckaduck- The trainer lifted him off the ground completely by his collar and held him there until I grabbed him away. I have no problem with lifting his front legs of the ground, or pulling him back with a jerk, but hanging is a bit much.

Don't forget folks, he is a PUPPY. 4 months old. Would you really treat your dog that way?
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Old 11-19-2005, 06:55 PM
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Huh? Who said? Leo doesn't have a history of being dog aggressive. He plays just fine with all the dogs here in the neighborhood. He has played fine with the dogs at class until this weeks class. I don't feel that hanging a dog by his collar is going to do anything but damage him.

Yuckaduck- The trainer lifted him off the ground completely by his collar and held him there until I grabbed him away. I have no problem with lifting his front legs of the ground, or pulling him back with a jerk, but hanging is a bit much.

Don't forget folks, he is a PUPPY. 4 months old. Would you really treat your dog that way?
Well, I think that needed to be done or YOU could have left early if you know he's dog to dog aggressive....From your posts, it seemed like he has a history of being dog to dog aggressive. What would you have dxone as the trainer? You have a dog who is dog aggressive...ALL things you heard are immediately,m automatically, and completely meaningless. I've hadto walk a dog who fought with the other dogs one time. I learned after this that it wasn't normal, but I didn't care. That's probably what the trainer felt about Leo. Once the dog gets into a fight, it's hard to trust the owner unless they know the dog from before the dog was in a fight...it's hard then too.
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Old 11-19-2005, 07:21 PM
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I don't know how you got the idea that Leo is dog aggressive. I have never posted anything like that before. He isn't dog aggressive. He is puppy playful. HUGE difference. What would I have done as the trainer? I wouldn't have allowed chows in my class if I had issues with them. I don't like ALL dogs, but that is because of the dog, not the breed. He obviously can't distinguish between the two. If he grabbed Leo by the collar to get him out of the situation, that would be fine. He didn't. He grabbed him and held him suspended in the air by his collar until I reached him and grabbed Leo.

You are intitled to your opinions. Leo is not dog or people aggressive. If he was I would be desperately trying to find a GOOD trainer to help with the issue. Instead of sitting here posting about a bad trainer, I would be posting about what to do with my aggressive animal. I don't allow my children to be rude or disrespectful and my dog won't be either!
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