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Old 11-18-2005, 10:44 PM
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Well, Leo is 4 months old now and he has been going to puppy class since the middle of Oct. Last Mon night we went to class as usual, even though I didn't want to and my friend that brings her chow puppy (Leo's brother) didn't go. She thought the trainer was an idiot and a chow bigot. Class is an hour long and every week I get lectured about Leo. The class consisted of 2 chow's, 2 boxers and 1 labradoodle. The boxers are both hyper little things, but Ajax was the worst. He was constantly in Leo's face, bouncing on him. Ajax's trainer was worthless and had no control at all over him. Leo would get fed up and growl at him and then the trainer would lecture ME about not allowing my dog to behave that way. I was always giving Leo a quick pull on the leash and a "No" evertime he went for the boxer. The trainer constantly told me I wasn't doing enough, but when I asked what I was supposed to do, he just talked in circles. Anyway, there was a new puppy at class this week and the first thing he did was growl at Leo. When it was time to have "free play" Leo made a mad dash for the new dog (I think it was a brittany). There was growling and stuff and Leo jumped on the other dog. The trainer immedietly grabbed Leo by the collar and held him up in the air. I ran to him, grabbed Leo away and yelled that he was hurting my dog. He told me that Leo and I should sit out today. I started to tell him I was leaving and he interrupted me and told me I needed to go and I should contact him to get a refund. He said I had an aggressive dog and I was unwilling to deal with him. What I was unwilling to do was hang my puppy by the neck if he growled at another puppy. Leo plays with dogs in my neighborhood all the time, there is growling, nipping and rolling involved and they are all having a great time. I know many of you will say "Oh, he is a chow, that trainer is probably right", but you would be wrong. Leo is a puppy and he is acting like a puppy. He never shows any type of aggression here at home and I have a 2 year old that likes to try to ride him when I am not looking. Anyway, I am sure a bunch of you will slam me and say I better watch my chow, but my point is how can a trainer of any dog promote hanging? He even commented once that if one of his dogs (he breeds beautiful Goldens) ever growled at a person, he would have to have him put down. I don't think he should be around animals at all!!!!!

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Old 11-18-2005, 10:49 PM
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That's horrible! Hanging him in the air by his collar? And despite what that trainer says, even the most sweet-tempered dog can have a bad day and growl at someone.

Good riddance, I say. Find someone who knows what they're doing. It's a good thing you're out of there before that trainer did something that really hurt Leo, either physically or emotionally.
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Old 11-18-2005, 11:03 PM
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petsmart people are idiots. I am thinking about dropping Lily out of her class simply because she is not learning anything and they are calling her stupid. Hannah did do great in hers though and graduated top of her class.
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Old 11-18-2005, 11:07 PM
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Um, I would be reporting that `trainer'. Sounds like he has a bit of an animal cruelty problem....
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Old 11-18-2005, 11:08 PM
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The thing is, this isn't Petsmart or Petco. It is an actual place that does nothing BUT dog training. I don't have a lot of training options living in Alaska, but I can figure out the training with a good book, the internet and advice from people here and on other boards. I was really attending the class for the socialization. I found a puppy play class a local vet organizes once a week. It is free and it is just about playing.
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Old 11-18-2005, 11:11 PM
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I would report him, but the people never answer the phone. My husband did go down and kind of get into this trainers face. Nothing physical, just a little lecture on how to treat dogs & people. The trainer told my husband he was being intimidating. My husband asked him if that made him a bad dog. No answer from the trainer. Go figure!! Anyway, we are supposed to be getting our full $85 back, but we haven't heard anything yet.
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Old 11-18-2005, 11:12 PM
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I mean report him to the ASPCA or something like that. Anyone who does that to a dog deserves a) to be banned from ever dealing with dogs again, and b) has no idea whatsoever about animal behaviour and training. Moron. This has made me really mad. Imagine all the bad things that idiot is teaching other people. If that were me, he'd be banned for ever!

Love what your husband said, by the way...lol
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Old 11-18-2005, 11:17 PM
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Yes, it made me really mad too. Chow's already have a bad rap and he just gave the people in the class the idea that they are viscous. I have a friend that is into dog training that is familiar with this company. She said she would send an e-mail on my behalf asking about when they started teaching "hanging" as a training technique. I feel really bad for this man's dogs. They are truely beautiful Golden Retrievers. I hate to imagine what he does to them.
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Old 11-18-2005, 11:25 PM
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A sad experience for you and the dog !! If you dog shows any aggression at all, I would seek out other help. Chows can have an attitude that should be nipped in the bud. Only you know what his is .
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Are you kidding?? If a trainer did that to my puppy, he'd be lucky to get out of that room with all of his fingers still hooked to his hands!!! I would at the very least demand my money back. Then I would write a letter to whoever employs this monster and explain exactly the problems you have with his "training techniques". I'd write letters to the other people in the class, and tell everyone I knew which trainer not to go to. Then I'd remove the rest of his fingers. With pliers.

This grinds my gears to no end. It's absolutely disgusting that a dog trainer--someone touting himself as a professional--would do any of this. One of the first hang-ups I lost when I began training dogs was judging an animal based on breed. That's a good clue that he doesn't know what he's talking about. If he was paying any kind of attention to what he was doing (or, heaven forbid, actually listening to the dogs he trained), he would've realized a long time ago that every dog is an individual and they need to be treated as such. Breed can give you some ideas regarding the dog's motivations or tendencies, but it's just a rough outline. There are always exceptions, and it's just plain racist to make assumptions based on breed. (See Beulah, TL Ashmore's precious pittie.)

And I'm just nearly speechless at his hanging your four month old puppy by his collar. For goodness' sake, what did he think he was doing?! There was absolutely nothing wrong with your puppy giving a warning growl to a rowdy boxer. So he's going to torture your dog for communicating with another dog?? This is how people end up telling stories that start with, "He just bit me out of nowhere!" If you punish a dog for giving a warning, for telling you he's irritated or annoyed, why on earth would he bother to warn you again? He won't! He'll bite you instead, because he knows that's one thing you can't ignore.

I've probably worked with 30 dogs who had been labeled as "aggressive", "dangerous", or "unpredictable". Not a single one of them has been any of those things. Most of them were just frustrated, confused, or afraid. I think if our dogs got to tell us just two things in their whole lives, the first would be, "I love you" and the second would be, "but no one listens to me!" When they try to tell us something, we punish them. When they try to tell another dog something, we punish them. When they feel like the only way to make us listen is to give a nip, we take them to trainers who punish them. Dogs can't win.

Sorry to rant. Nothing gets on my nerves quite like someone who sells something they don't have in the first place. This industry is full of dishonest, uneducated, greedy, untrained trainers. You have to be so careful. I really hope that someone stops this man before he damages anyone else's dog.
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