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Old 03-09-2012, 01:24 PM
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Okay, now I know you're probably thinking "well, Shay, you did just buy a working bred GSD and you have been working with a GSD breeder/watching Schutzhund for like a year now..." but just go along with me for a minute here.

When I think of schutzhund, I think it looks fun and I enjoy it, but I don't see ME doing it. When I think agility, I love it and I want to do it. That said, I've done agility before and have never done schutzhund before.

At this point, Simi is turning 6 months this month and we haven't been out for training at all. And I'm starting to feel like I missed the most important months. Training is an hour away, early on Saturday mornings, which are fine in the fall and winter months (minus weather) but in the summer months, I'm usually at a trial. The train with the local club it's a $100 annual fee for a years worth of training (usually 3 days a week, though I can only really make one or two). That said, I also have to join the GSSCC which appears to be a $115 fee this year, $100 every year after that. So $200 a year to train. That doesn't seem bad, really... but I also have no desire, as of right now, to ever compete in Schutzhund, and all I can think of is that that's almost 2 agility classes worth of money.

So I really don't know what to do. There's a bit of pressure from her breeder/the trainer at the club for me to do the sport and I think a lot of that comes from Simi having been her second pick of the litter (she kept her first pick), and so I want to do it because her breeder really helped me a lot over the more than I year I've been working with and talking to her, and she was really helpful in my getting Simi... So I want to do it for her, so to speak, but I really have very little desire for Simi and I to ever do it... So I just don't know...


Maybe this is mostly a rant? But thoughts, helpful suggestions, comments, any of that would be nice.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:32 PM
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If you don't want to do it, don't. It's obvious when somebody isn't enjoying what they are doing, and it's all supposed to be about having fun with your dog.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:43 PM
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If you don't want to do it, don't. It's obvious when somebody isn't enjoying what they are doing, and it's all supposed to be about having fun with your dog.
Yep. Honestly, I could never picture myself doing SchH. The endless heeling patterns, the long downs (yawn!), the dog always just biting the sleeve in the same way. To me, it's such a repetitive pattern. (French Ring on the other hand.... )

But really, if you can't see yourself enjoying it, then why do it? I wouldn't feel too bad about the breeder situation.....plans change all the time, you won't be the first to decide on a different priority with their dog.

Plus, how feasible would it be to train both SchH and agility? SchH requires a significant time commitment as you know, and you only have so many weekends in a year for training and trialing.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:46 PM
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At this point, Simi is turning 6 months this month and we haven't been out for training at all. And I'm starting to feel like I missed the most important months.
Just wanted to add that if you have a change of heart and do want to do it, don't worry that you haven't started bite work yet. Many people start pups, but just as many people wait until the dog is older. I actually screwed myself over by starting my pup too early and with helpers that put too much pressure on her. People buy green dogs at 2 years old all the time and start bite work, so don't feel like you have to hurry into it.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:59 PM
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SchH/IPO is a huge time commitment, so I would not do it if you aren't 100% into it.

That being said, I agree that you don't have to start a puppy as a baby to do fine in the sport. I started Kes at 2yo and he's not even bred for sport! Aeri didn't truly start bitework until 6 mo.

(your club is cheap btw - mine is $300 for up to 2 training sessions per week plus a $100 annual USCA membership and I know another club here that is closer to $1000/yr)
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Old 03-09-2012, 02:06 PM
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Yep, we've been in $600 a year clubs, and that is PER PERSON. So 1200 a year to train, but UScA dues.

I'd ask if you can be a temporary member for a while. Tell them, honestly, you're not sure this is for you, but you'd like to learn more about it. They might be willing to give you a probation period without fees.

That way, you can tell if you like it or not. If you don't, then don't do it. Schutzhund takes a LOT of time.

Age wise, you are fine though.
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Old 03-09-2012, 02:16 PM
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Re-read my snarky sounding first post and just want to add that I didn't mean to insult the IPOers out there. I truly appreciate the time, training, and skill that goes into the sport. My girl comes from a SchH breeding and I watched a training session at her breeder's club and it was some pretty amazing stuff.
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Old 03-09-2012, 02:16 PM
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If you're not into it, don't do it. It's a commmitment, a long one. It's not months or weeks, it's years. It's laying a thousand tracks before you trial, lots of OB and I'd say if you're only training bitework once a week, from the ground up to get decent scores you're looking at 2 years .

If you're not committed, it's a long ass time and nobody is going to benefit. Don't feel pressured. Its your dog, YOU"RE supposed to be having fun with it.

The tough parts to catch up are bitework obviously, but ob can mostly be done on your own. Retrieves are a huge part, but you can do those (the imporant parts) in your living room after agility training

I started a 4 year dog and got titles. It's really not ever too late to do it, just depends on how far you want to go. 6 months is nothing a lot of people are just wasting their time before that. As long as you aren't squashing drive (behavior can be made appropriate without killing drive, but i'm sure you know that) teach him that certain things are appropriate to bite, like tugs of various sizes and rags you can always jump in later if you want to.
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Old 03-09-2012, 02:18 PM
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If it were me (not saying this is what you should do), I would at least try it for a year especially since you kind of made a commitment to the breeder. It's tough to say if you'd like it or not based on watching only. But that's just me
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Old 03-09-2012, 02:32 PM
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Re-read my snarky sounding first post and just want to add that I didn't mean to insult the IPOers out there. I truly appreciate the time, training, and skill that goes into the sport. My girl comes from a SchH breeding and I watched a training session at her breeder's club and it was some pretty amazing stuff.
Haha I wanted to comment, but didn't really see any REAL snark in your post. IPO is boring. And MANY people who train it don't bother to correct that. I see the same teams doing routine after routine, week after week. I personally never train the routine. Even my bitework. I mix things up. I even put my dogs on suits for variation. Because, well, it IS repetitive.

Also, Shay, when I first trialed I thought I HATED the sport. For my BH and my SchH1 (first ones) I did not sleep a wink the night before and I was sick all morning, eating tums like there were candy. I told myself, "I love this sport, but I will not trial again." Hmm...that backfired greatly, huh?

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