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Old 10-22-2013, 04:10 PM
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We had an...interesting...trial this weekend. Meg was completely off her rocker for her three runs. She jumped a tunnel in her pairs class. My nine-year old dog JUMPED A TUNNEL. I finally got her enough under control for snooker that she pulled off yet another 1st and SuperQ there. I bought the video in hopes that it would let you hear her growling at me (Meg! Growling!), and of course sadly the sound doesn't seem to work. It's still a fun run to watch. She makes me so happy, just by being so happy. I need to keep reminding myself, when I get frustrated with Gusto, that Stressed Meg turned into this. I can work with Stressed Gusto!


Gusto ran his first Grand Prix on Saturday, because it was otherwise a Masters only day, so it was the only class available for him. He was actually better than I expected. He was clean through the first half, then I did a front cross in the wrong spot and through him around a jump the wrong way. We bobbled around for a few seconds and then got back on course for the rest. It was nice that the skills themselves weren't really over his head.

Gamblers was first on Sunday, and I knew immediately the gamble wasn't going to happen. Instead I picked what I really wanted to work on (getting his weaves in the ring, which has been a stress-related issue) and we did a big loop around the outside, including the weaves, and ran out of the ring for cookies. He missed the second jump in standard due to what I think was stress-related scratching on the start line, so we did pretty much the same thing - ran until the weaves, which were SUPER, and then excused ourselves and ran out of the ring. The snooker course was a nightmare - far harder than the masters snooker from that morning! Gusto was great and not stressing and we simply didn't get far enough through the course to get enough points (only 1 dog in all heights did - using my course I gave to her *grumble*). He did Q in jumpers, and finished off that title, so he's now in PIII jumpers - although I won't be entering him in it until we work out this stressing stuff on the start line. I need to be better about taking my time to get him to play on the start line. It helps when I do it, but I worry about getting yelled at for "wasting" time. But this wasted just as much time, and I hate it.

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Old 10-22-2013, 04:48 PM
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Haha must be something in the water. At practice last night Summer was back to running on top of and jumping over evey tunnel.
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:55 PM
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While watching Payton's runs from this weekend I realized that through his entire Standard run on Friday, the gate steward was yelling "PAYTON! PAYTON!" because there were two sixteen inch Paytons there this weekend (both named after Walter Payton I might add) - mine, and a pointer. And P was the first dog in but the other Payton was three dogs after mine.

SURELY having somebody outside the ring screaming "PAYTON! PAYTON!" didn't have ANY affect on my dog at all.


Frustrating runs to watch. They just look worse on video than they felt at the time. Ugh. Even knowing he didn't feel good all weekend, it's tough to watch. I mean I know he's a baby and he's more talented than a lot of other baby dogs, even more than a lot of older dogs, and a world team person actually gave me a nice compliment on him this weekend. But it's not the picture I want and there is soooo much work to do to fill in the gaps, it feels overwhelming.
And Georgie too, but she isn't mine so it's not really anxiety-inducing for me. I have to give my mom all the stuff to do, and after that, it's out of my hands. I did tell my mom I'm going to film her working with Georgie and then show it to her, compared to how I am with Georgie... my mom has her bar set really high and gets frustrated and Georgie has started to think if she messes up she's done something "wrong" and gets a little worried. I pretty much just laugh the whole time with her... she needs to take a page out of my book and just have fun with it.
Or maybe not since the result of "just have fun with it" is Payton.


Luckily I cannot hear Auggie bark-screaming in his crate on any of the videos, because I could certainly hear him bark-screaming in his crate at the trial itself. He was VERY unhappy I was playing agility with somebody else and NOT with him. He was halfway across the building and in an aisle but could still hear me, and once he figured out what was happening (during Georgie's first run) he proceeded to bark-scream whenever I would get another dog out and walk away.
I feel rotten and my friends all agree that I need to enter Auggie in some JWW runs just so he can feel like he still gets to play at trials. He KNOWS. I don't really get it because he stresses at trials, but he also gets really excited when I'm packing and stuff getting ready to go, and he's quite jealous obviously that everybody else is playing and he isn't... ugh. No good answer on that one.
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Old 10-23-2013, 08:24 AM
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I'm glad to be back running agility. Had fun doing other things for the last month but really love being back. Worked them every other day for the last week, different place each time.

Worked lil' Webby first to give him something to do and raise the motivation level of the girls even more. He did really well and was all growly and pumped up and adorable. Nailed everything.

Kim is silly and having fun but her weaves entries aren't reliable when she loses her head. She was nailing complicated sequences with all-RX serps, wraps, etc. then pulling inside the far jump of a pinwheel *rollseyes*. It's just very clear that she's been pretty much out of the game for over a year.

Mira is looking good, just kinda wild after a month of field work . Worked some interesting blind cross options and she really liked it and it helped me move downcourse one certain types of sequences. I didn't do blinds right in front of her nor do I want to-- these were slipped in on turns and wraps where I'd usually FX and she doesn't really see the cross except now when she turns back to me I'm already in position instead of midrotation. Doesn't work everywhere but worked well for the situations I had set up that night. Also cleaned up after myself and did some same-side pulls through similar sequences to ensure she knew the difference between cue presentations and wasn't making assumptions -- she handled those well too.

Also ran a friend's green BC boy. Super fast and wild and honest and fun -- brother to another boy I run sometimes but much less experienced and with several different types of training which don't always work together harmoniously. He's a fun boy but our communication needs work...with the turning cues I use for my dog he shoots across obstacles almost straight, though on the correct lead. With stronger turning cues he comes all the way in and doesn't realize that he is still to take the obstacle. Finding a middle path is very challenging if I can't be right at the obstacle. But he worked well for me and we ironed out some kinks and got to know each other so hopefully we'll get somewhere

Yay Agility!
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:56 AM
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Yay agility!

I'm back and taking agility lessons again! Trialling should start up again in a month or two. I'm loving it!

I got frustrated with the facility where I was taking lessons earlier in the year, so I've started taking some privates with a new person and I'm really enjoying it. Though, holy hell, we have some serious bar knocking problems. My new instructor asked me, "how'd you get out of starters so fast with all these knocked bars?" I didn't really have an answer. Luck, I guess. It felt like we spent forever in starters too.

So our primary focus is working on keeping more bars up, and I feel like the little bit of work we've done already is helping. We're taking a two-pronged approach of setting bars at varying heights/angles so Cohen has to actually watch where she's jumping, and marking dropped bars with a whoops and restarting the exercise as Cohen is resilient enough to bounce back afterwards. The first run of the day on Sunday I think we left 2 bars up. By the end of the class she wasn't knocking anything. I'm sure part of it has to do with her having calmed down and being less manic, but the new approach gives me hope.

I of course feel like a zombie on the course. Awkward. Jerky movements. Only a faint idea of where I am at any given time. I've regressed. Definitely lots of room for improvement there!

I spoke about putting together my own jumps earlier in this thread, but I got lazy and never followed through. Going to do that for reals now. I have some wonderful fields around me where I can set up and practice.

... just in time for winter!
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:01 AM
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Having little problems with the weaves. He does pretty well. We're still doing channel weaves but he has a tendency to be very handler focused and NOT obstacle focused so he has a habit of missing the last pole. I think he's just not really entirely sure what he's doing, he's moreso looking at me. So the trainer showed us 2x2 method as well...

Which do you think is easier to teach? I just can't decide what would be easier for Jax. He gets weaves, to a point, and he's doing pretty well with channel method... it's just he often misses that last pole. I'm not sure if I should change it up at this point. Any opinions?

I do have these weave poles at home, which can be used for channel weaves: http://www.amazon.com/Agility-Weave-...og+weave+poles

And I have 2 weeks until next class, we don't have class next week due to trainer traveling... so I'd love to practice at home.
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:23 AM
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Having little problems with the weaves. He does pretty well. We're still doing channel weaves but he has a tendency to be very handler focused and NOT obstacle focused so he has a habit of missing the last pole. I think he's just not really entirely sure what he's doing, he's moreso looking at me. So the trainer showed us 2x2 method as well...

Which do you think is easier to teach? I just can't decide what would be easier for Jax. He gets weaves, to a point, and he's doing pretty well with channel method... it's just he often misses that last pole. I'm not sure if I should change it up at this point. Any opinions?

I do have these weave poles at home, which can be used for channel weaves: http://www.amazon.com/Agility-Weave-...og+weave+poles

And I have 2 weeks until next class, we don't have class next week due to trainer traveling... so I'd love to practice at home.
Which is easier to teach, IMO, depends entirely on you. Both methods have time and again produced consistent world-class weaves. It really just depends on what makes you comfortable and what your dog understands.

One thing that does, from what I've seen, make a huge difference regardless of teaching method is rewarding down the weave line rather than to the side or, worse, from your hand. You want the dog driving out of the weaves rather than twisting or looking for you at the end in anticipation of reward or feedback. Job first.

For me, 2x2 is more intuitive. But I've seen killer weaves trained both ways.
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The best weave method is the one that works the best forthat dog and handler. With a handler focused dog, I'd be less concerned about method and more about reward timing and placement. Marking when the dog's focus is not ony you but on the obstacle or forward, and not rewarding from the hand, but in front or behind the dog.
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Yep, rewarding forward is really really important with weaves. Throw a toy, or if he isn't wild for toys during agility, throw a food toy. I bought several of those hardware clear tubes for my mom to use with Georgie (careful when you throw them though... the lid might pop off.) I don't use my treat pouch anymore unless I'm intending to whip it off and throw it ahead. We also used a target with Georgie so she learned to do her weaves then run ahead to the target for her reward.

Georgie did 2x2s, P was trained with a mixed method of some 2x2 and some weave-a-matics, Auggie did purely WAMs and his weaves are the fastest obstacle on the course for him. Lots of people sing the praises of Trkman and she uses channel weaves. Dogs are like people - there is no one size fits all solution for learning.
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Old 10-23-2013, 12:15 PM
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Thanks for all the advise. I'm going to have to buy a few treat toys because he's definitely more treat motivated than toy. But I could probably get him to go after a squeaky kong ball, he does like those, and then reward after with food.

I think I'm going to attempt to train 2x2 method and see how it goes or if he catches on faster than the channel weaves. He was doing well when we started it yesterday, where I stayed behind and asked him to walk thru the two poles and he caught on very quickly and I think it would be good for him to learn to go ahead with me being right there.

Thanks all! I'll try and video some progress.
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