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Old 03-06-2012, 06:54 AM
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Does anyone have any ideas on how to adapt the Bang Game into something I can do at home?

Cohen's teeter isn't nearly where I want it to be - unsurprisingly, since we just sort of threw her at it and hoped for the best. She's my first dog, so what did I know?

I'm currently taking classes with 2 instructors. Under the care of a new instructor I'm trying to re-teach the obstacle. The old instructor focuses more on handling maneuvers. The problem is that I don't have access to a teeter outside of classes, and don't really have the opportunity to do the bang game with my old instructor. So, basically my practice time is limited unless I get creative.

Edit: I should say, the two aspects I need to work on is getting to the 2o/2o position faster and being more comfortable with the tip. The noise doesn't bother her.
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Old 03-06-2012, 07:47 AM
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If it's at all possible, it would be ideal for you to build a practice teeter (probably not as hard as it sounds ). This website has some pretty easy teeter plans, especially if you just use on length of board for the teeter instead of making it able to be broken down. Click on articles:
http://emrys-corgis.com/

If you can't do that, your home practice options are limited to motion/noise tricks which I'd suggest doing even if you do end up building the teeter. Teach Cohen to push a skateboard with her front feet, close cupboards/drawers/doors with her front feet, shaping 101 things to do with a wobble board (you can make one of these quickly out of a short board and a rolled up towel, the lid of a trash can, a piece of plywood sitting over anything that makes it wobble-y, etc) and anything else you can think of that will make her think making noise+motion=fun times!

At practice, is there is a reason that you can't go a bit early or stay a few minutes late and set up the bang game before/after old instructor's session? I definitely would avoid the teeter in class when not set up for the bang game. I wouldn't expect the old instructor to set up the bang game every time you run in a handling class but I don't understand if she's not open to letting you work on it between classes or during a break.

I retrained Whim's teeter recently - wish I had gotten video! She has always had a somewhat "iffy" teeter indoors. She was trained outside, confident outside but the teeter indoors sounds and feel different so she was never 100% on it. I would encourage her to go over it with speed for a toy and she got better at it but then developed an issue where she would run off before the board hit the ground. We got called in competition for unsafe teeter performance, which cost us our OA title and I decided it was time for a retraining. I did the retraining outside but used a full sized teeter and the bang game (she had learned on an adjustable teeter). For each stage of it, I first practiced with the teeter normally then I changed the way the teeter felt and sounded but putting cookie pans, empty plastic bottles and whatever else I could think of under the board. The retraining went really quickly and within a few weeks, she had a fast and confident teeter performance indoors or out. Now she didn't have a serious teeter issue, she would always willingly perform the teeter - just not always ideally or with the total confidence I'd like to see. If your dog has developed a more serious teeter issue such as avoiding the teeter, being extremely cautious going over it, getting "stuck" at the pivot point, reacting to the teeter even when other dogs perform it, etc I would go much slower with the bang game and add the noise/movement changes very slowly.
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:27 PM
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So I don't know when I can get back to training outside.....we have deep dense snow now and I don't want Pan to injure a leg getting stuck while running.

On the plus side, I was forced to train the (boring!) table. This video is our training today, after only one brief shaping session yesterday. Some of her downs were "creepy", I'm thinking that more speed will come with time and understanding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWvAN...ature=youtu.be

We're starting a foundations class next Tuesday. I don't know what to expect. It's been a while since we've been in an indoor real training environment, and she can be reactive. I might have a fool on my hands at first, lol.
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:49 AM
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If you can't do that, your home practice options are limited to motion/noise tricks which I'd suggest doing even if you do end up building the teeter. Teach Cohen to push a skateboard with her front feet, close cupboards/drawers/doors with her front feet, shaping 101 things to do with a wobble board (you can make one of these quickly out of a short board and a rolled up towel, the lid of a trash can, a piece of plywood sitting over anything that makes it wobble-y, etc) and anything else you can think of that will make her think making noise+motion=fun times!
This! Get him onto anything that moves. Build a wobble board (place a balled up towel under a square piece of wood, teach to push a skateboard around, that sort of thing. Also, if you can get him driving into the 2o2o position on a stationary 12" board, that is very helpful. So even if you can't build a full teeter, at least get a board and practice having him run to the end of it and hold the 2o2o. You can elevate one end higher and higher.

I also like the idea of staying late or coming early to class to work on the teeter alone.
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:52 AM
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So I don't know when I can get back to training outside.....we have deep dense snow now and I don't want Pan to injure a leg getting stuck while running.

On the plus side, I was forced to train the (boring!) table. This video is our training today, after only one brief shaping session yesterday. Some of her downs were "creepy", I'm thinking that more speed will come with time and understanding.
Looks really good! One thing that has helped when Zuma gets into a vapor lock on the table is to think about reward placement. High dogs tend to go into vapor lock when they are anticipating the release. Try tugging with her on the table after she downs, that way it moves the pressure off of the release and it also moves the reward placement to the table which will add value to it.
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Old 03-09-2012, 10:40 AM
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Looks really good! One thing that has helped when Zuma gets into a vapor lock on the table is to think about reward placement. High dogs tend to go into vapor lock when they are anticipating the release. Try tugging with her on the table after she downs, that way it moves the pressure off of the release and it also moves the reward placement to the table which will add value to it.
I was also considering just adding the down cue a few times since her response to that is usually snappy. Perhaps adding a verbal down and then tugging on the table would quicken it up?
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:51 AM
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I was also considering just adding the down cue a few times since her response to that is usually snappy. Perhaps adding a verbal down and then tugging on the table would quicken it up?
That's up to you, I like to train the table with an automatic down as you are already doing (one behavior rather than two behaviors chained together). Mostly because I don't want my dog to have to rely on that verbal cue.

Another thing that will help is to play a lot of impulse control games. Basically revving her way up and then asking for a behavior, only rewarding the snappy responses. My fav is to swing a toy around really enticing like and then ask for a down/sit/touch/whatever. Dogs that are prone to vapor lock will hone in on the toy and then either freeze or slowly move in to position. When they do that, I just do a collar grab to reset them, lessing the toy's movement and ask for it again. Eventually building up the distraction until you are getting snappy responses no matter what. This also helps with dogs that tend to get spazzy with other dogs running (AHEM, Zuma).
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Old 03-09-2012, 10:12 PM
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So I don't know when I can get back to training outside.....we have deep dense snow now and I don't want Pan to injure a leg getting stuck while running.
That is for sure!

How are your running contacts going? Savvy is up to a plank on a cement block with two bricks on top of it. So far, so good I'm just working Whim casually on it right now. I'm trying to really tighten up her weaves before our national in April, so that is my big project with her right now.

Eventually I'll have video but we need another hard drive before I can upload any more - this ones all full up with dog videos and pictures!
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Old 03-09-2012, 10:43 PM
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How are your running contacts going? Savvy is up to a plank on a cement block with two bricks on top of it. So far, so good
Cool, can't wait for new vids!

Contacts were going great and I was going to use a plastic milk crate for our next height before our massive blizzard followed by a melt. We're expecting warm weather this week though, so hopefully we can get back out!
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