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Old 11-10-2015, 07:36 PM
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Louis believes he's physically incapable of doing a tuck sit. I am starting to believe him :/

This is a problem, because we are hoping to do rally-O, and every sit results in him about 2-3 feet behind me. He's a big guy!

I've tried a few things, and nothing has produced a tuck sit. We've been doing some perch work for a nice "get in", and it's coming along. I tried a lower perch and aiming for a sit with front feet remaining on the perch, but that was a dismal failure. I could not figure out how to communicate what I wanted.

Tried sitting near a wall. Clearly I don't know how to go about this, because it did not result in a tuck sit.

Anyone willing to attempt to help me?
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Old 11-10-2015, 08:24 PM
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I lure up and toward me diagonally which usually gets them to tuck in, vs traditionally people lure up and behind the dogs head. I also toss the reward out in front of them so that they move forward to get it, which in time hopefully that anticipation stops them from wanting to rock back.

I'm not versed in breaking the habit of rocking back, as none of mine do it, but hopefully that's of some help to you?
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Old 11-11-2015, 08:53 AM
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I helped a friend teach her dog a tuck sit using front paw targeting when she swore it wouldn't work (Hugo just does it. Lucky me.) Her attempt at doing it was just having him target something and ask for a sit. She was going WAY too fast. I don't know how you've gone about trying, but I'll break down what we did in case you hadn't tried it this way.

Started on just paw targeting. We probably spent 5 sessions working JUST on having him understand that when the target was there, he did not get the treat if his feet moved off the target.
- We started by shaping: go near the target= treat. Step on the target= treat parade into your mouth. Step off target= treats stop. Eventually, being on that target seemed AWESOME and he didn't want to leave.

- Here is where she made her mistake. She knew he was good with the target, so she asked for a sit. He promptly rocked back because that's what he was used to. She had to re-teach a sit. This could totally be shaped but she wanted to move faster and we ended up luring. Held the treat out in front of him and slightly up. Marked for any hind leg movement. Then marked for hind legs moving forward. Then he kind of squatted and got a treat parade. I think it was on the second sit session that we got him to fully tuck sit.

- If at any time during sit training he stepped off of the target, we just stopped and stood there. He would quickly jump back on because he knew that would get us started again.

- We also stopped asking for sits outside this training which was hard. I'm not sure if it sped up the process or not.

Ignore if you've tried all this and it wasn't helpful : p. I just had a lot of success with it and wanted to share!
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Old 11-11-2015, 10:15 AM
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Thanks. I will try breaking down the rewards while paw targeting. He's an ace at perch work, but so far this hasn't translated into a tuck sit, and he just rocks back each. and. every. time. Then we both get frustrated. LOL!

The other thing I've been thinking of is a raised platform ...... not sure what I could use though, as he's a big fella.
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Old 11-11-2015, 12:04 PM
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Upturned laundry basket? lol. I used that with a 75 pound lab but I'm not sure how big your guys is : )
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Old 11-11-2015, 12:37 PM
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He's 95 lbs, but rather short backed (excellent Bouvie conformation ). I will attempt the laundry basket ... good idea!
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Old 11-11-2015, 01:03 PM
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I just used a small ottoman as a platform and recorded it. It's an improvement, for sure! Thoughts? It was our very first session with it, so I'm assuming with time it will become more fluid and he'll start building some muscle memory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kerv443ba54
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Old 11-11-2015, 01:06 PM
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And another small issue - I agree that not asking for a sit outside of this training will be important - trouble is that he's learned a "sit" as his method of saying please. Wants back inside? Sits. Wants to be fed? Sits. Wants a pet? Sit. Gah. He gets a LOT of practice each and every day rock-back-sitting. Eek.
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Old 11-11-2015, 01:10 PM
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I only have a minute but that video looked really good! It'll get smoother as you go for sure.

Also he's adorable and your living room is super cute....
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Old 11-11-2015, 01:47 PM
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Aw, thanks. I think he's pretty adorable too.

We have the coffee table and all furniture moved off the rug, because I had it cleaned yesterday. Thought I'd take advantage of the wide open space for training and recording.
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