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Old 01-25-2015, 09:10 AM
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First of all, the topics of this thread don't relate to Lotta in anyway. (She's not the kind of dog my friend would like to ask about) My friend would like to ask/discuss about following things: She has heard that one could train high drive dogs with only positive methods. She is talking about GSDs and Malinois' etc.. She has seen this video:


She also knows about this trainer: https://www.youtube.com/user/tab289

However, many people seem to think that one should train high drive dogs with harsh methods. So do you others know if it really is possible train that kind of dogs with only positive methods? My friend means that one would train them so that s/he wouldn't use any kind of physical punishments with them. How would you be training those kind of dogs with or without a clicker if you were using only positive methods? My friend is now talking about basic obedience training.

What would you do in the following situation: The dog would be very wild and s/he wouldn't listen/obey you and you couldn't get her/him calm down? My friend knows that many people would restrain that kind of dog physically. Someone might even roll him/her over onto his/her back. So, what would you be doing here if you were using only positive methods?

So, my friend would be interested in discussing about these topics although she doesn't have a high drive dog herself. She thought that those that do have one could tell about their dog's training.
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Old 01-25-2015, 12:22 PM
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Dekka is a high drive dog. I have used predominately positive methods. They work very well. IME most people resort to harsh methods because of a few reasons. They feel the need to punish and like training that way, or they aren't very good at it and can't think of how to apply things in a positive way (which often takes more effort for the trainer)

When Dekka gets over the top I just leave. Or we leave if its on the agility course. There are activities like crate games etc which teach the dog self control.
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Old 01-25-2015, 02:15 PM
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In that situation you describe, I'd try to become more interesting than whatever the dog is presently interested in. I'd be interesting because I'd find out what motivates my dog. Often it's some scrumptious food treat or a squeaky toy. I'd get his attention and then teach him something like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipT5k1gaXhc

When a dog is rewarded for behaviors you like, he's apt to repeat them again and again. Then I'd teach him some other things....If you Google Kiko Pup, you can find all kinds of things to teach in a progressive/positive way without the use of physical punishment, pain, intimidation etc. I do not believe in training that way and I've had some high drive dogs. One of my Poodles is very drivey. I've had GSDs and a Doberman...all very energetic and crazy when they were young and distractible. PR methods work very nicely with these kinds of dogs. It keeps them offering new behaviors to try to see if they can get rewarded. It doesn't cause them to shut down, slow down or loose that wonderful spirit as does punishment often.

Here's another article I love: http://www.clickertraining.com/node/1721

When a dog learns a lot of obedience skills or tricks, learns how to learn, has fun learning, his behavior is apt to get very nice because he's got lots of outlets for that energy that are constructive instead of behaviors you don't like. Training should be a game, rewarding and fun for both dog and owner.
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Old 01-25-2015, 06:28 PM
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A friend of mine owns an aggressive, high-drive Great Pyrenees/Shepherd mix.

When I have her, I typically start our walks with a 'watch me' training session to make sure I have her attention. If I ever lose her attention, we stop walking. If she see's an object/person/whatever that she begins to focus on to bark at or lunge at - I do restrain her to a point - she is on a harness with a handle on the back. I will typically hold the handle and using my free hand, I will get a treat (liver or something equally amazing) and redirect her to my hand by putting it in front of her nose to get her attention again.

This of course doesn't always work, and when it doesn't we walk away from the trigger and I have her sit while we wait for the trigger to pass.

I refuse to train using dominance theory and 'alpha' methods.
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I feel like this question can't be answered.

What kind of dog? What kind of drive? What kind of task are we training?

All dogs have drive to some extent. High drive dogs are just dogs. And 'high drive' depends on who is doing the labeling and what their background is. A great agility dog is not necessarily going to have the drive for protection work for example.

Personally I've found Hank easiest to teach of my dog. He will work for anything. All I have is a pinecone? Ok! He's super stoked about working for that pinecone. :P
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Old 01-25-2015, 07:39 PM
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Personally I've found Hank easiest to teach of my dog. He will work for anything. All I have is a pinecone? Ok! He's super stoked about working for that pinecone. :P
OMG that is awesome! Dekka is pretty easy to motivate but not that easy lol.
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Old 01-26-2015, 11:37 AM
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I feel like this question can't be answered.

What kind of dog? What kind of drive? What kind of task are we training?

All dogs have drive to some extent. High drive dogs are just dogs. And 'high drive' depends on who is doing the labeling and what their background is. A great agility dog is not necessarily going to have the drive for protection work for example.

Personally I've found Hank easiest to teach of my dog. He will work for anything. All I have is a pinecone? Ok! He's super stoked about working for that pinecone. :P
Yup! Another dog I spend time with has that sort of motivation too. I was teaching recall with snowballs the one day..
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