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Old 01-16-2012, 11:00 AM
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In my previous house, my smoke alarm would go off when I was cooking...the smallest amount of smoke would set it off. I'd hang a dish towel over it and sort of tuck it around. Then make sure to remember to take it off when I was through. The towel first would muffle the sound a little, then would act like a block to keep the smoke out. In my new house, that doesn't seem to happen. I think these may be a better kind...hopefully. I wonder if these newer kind "know" the difference between cooking smoke from foods and smoke from a fire. Hmmmm.
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Old 01-16-2012, 11:09 AM
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I just wish they had installed it in the house hallway. My apartment building only had studio apartments, and one bed rooms. I'd rather have a fire exit -.- (I live on the 7th floor, with only one way out).
I think I'll call the company, to move the darn thing. Although I'm pretty sure the can't put it anywhere else. =/

Thank you for the instructions though. ^^ I deinstalled it (after it went off AGAIN), and called the company. They're coming by in 3(!!!) weeks.
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Old 01-16-2012, 03:19 PM
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I had one in the hallway near the kitchen, tried every kind out there and they would go off all the time when we cooked. Last time I unplugged the darn thing and it still went off, took the battery off and the **** thing was still going, in a fit of temper I took it down to the workshop and smashed it with a hammer into a million pieces. I taught that smoke detector a lesson it won't soon forget. I finally removed all traces of it and installed another one elsewhere. We have 6 in the house and 3 carbon monoxide detectors.
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Old 01-16-2012, 03:36 PM
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We got these smoke detectors last year, after they came and switched them Because the ones we had were recalled for being "too sensitive". I swear, they came and replaced our good smoke detectors with one of the recalled ones, because this **** thing goes off when we boil water in the kettle.
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Old 01-16-2012, 03:50 PM
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Detectors do not contain radon, but americium-241. Taking them off the wall is no danger, though it might be illegal, since, rentals are typically required to have working detectors. Its not illegal to move it, or change the batteries though.

http://www.epa.gov/radiation/sources/smoke_alarm.html

It is a bad idea to take the things apart and play nuclear scientist though!
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Old 01-16-2012, 04:07 PM
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Detectors do not contain radon, but americium-241. Taking them off the wall is no danger, though it might be illegal, since, rentals are typically required to have working detectors. Its not illegal to move it, or change the batteries though.

http://www.epa.gov/radiation/sources/smoke_alarm.html

It is a bad idea to take the things apart and play nuclear scientist though!
Meh, I dunno, but if it is defective, and they won't show up until in three weeks, Im NOT waking up 3 times a night because the darn thing wont stop. -.-
We don't have to have them until July 7th 2012, so I should be safe. ^^
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Old 01-16-2012, 04:49 PM
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I wonder if these newer kind "know" the difference between cooking smoke from foods and smoke from a fire. Hmmmm.
They do. Don't ask me how, but that's what all the information sites say, and its been my personal experience too . . . the old fashioned ones will drive you insane when cooking . . . the optical ones don't care. They also don't contain radioactive material . . .they use a light beam instead.

Gypsy, I'd complain, and then for the short term just take it down. They usually just unscrew from their holders, or you can pull the battery. But definitely complain and get a working one in there pronto. At least IMO, a smoke detector is like a good solid lock . . . you shouldn't be living somewhere without one.
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Old 01-16-2012, 05:25 PM
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I don't think they do "know" the difference. There must be something else going on. Here's some more info. I think it's bad that you don't have a way to get out on the opposite side from the front door. That's really quite dangerous. There should always be two exits. Is there a window you can get out of in the back of the apartment?

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Smoke Alarms
Recalls and Advisories
Kidde Recalls Dual Sensor Smoke Alarms; Can Fail to Warn of a Fire
Digital Security Controls Recalls Smoke Detectors that Could Fail to Warn of a Fire
Recall: FireX Branded 10000 Series Carbon Monoxide (CO) Alarms and 12000 Series CO/Smoke Combo Alarms
Protect Yourself and Your Family Today!

In the event of a fire, properly installed and maintained smoke alarms will provide an early warning alarm to your household. This alarm could save your own life and those of your loved ones by providing the chance to escape.

Why Should My Home Have Smoke Alarms?
In the event of a fire, a smoke alarm can save your life and those of your loved ones. They are a very important means of preventing house and apartment fire fatalities by providing an early warning signal -- so you and your family can escape. Smoke alarms are one of the best safety devices you can buy and install to protect yourself, your family, and your home.
What Types of Smoke Alarms Are Available?
There are many different brands of smoke alarms available on the market but they fall under two basic types: ionization and photoelectric.
Ionization alarms sound more quickly when a flaming, fast moving fire occurs. Photoelectric alarms are quicker at sensing smoldering, smoky fires. There are also combination smoke alarms that combine ionization and photoelectric into one unit, called dual sensor smoke alarms.
Because both ionization and photoelectric smoke alarms are better at detecting distinctly different yet potentially fatal fires, and because homeowners cannot predict what type of fire might start in a home, the USFA recommends the installation of both ionization and photoelectric or dual sensor smoke alarms.
In addition to the basic types of alarms, there are alarms made to meet the needs of people with hearing disabilities. These alarms may use strobe lights that flash and/or vibrate to assist in alerting those who are unable to hear standard smoke alarms when they sound.
Okay, Where Do I Put Them?
Install smoke alarms on every level of your home, including the basement. Many fatal fires begin late at night or in the early morning. For extra safety, install smoke alarms both inside and outside sleeping areas. Since smoke and many deadly gases rise, installing your smoke alarms at the proper level will provide you with the earliest warning possible. Always follow the manufacturer***8217;s installation instructions.
Where Would I Get Smoke Alarms?
Many hardware, home supply, or general merchandise stores carry smoke alarms. If you are unsure where to buy one in your community, call your local fire department (on a nonemergency telephone number) and they will provide you with some suggestions. Some fire departments offer smoke alarms for little or no cost.
Are Smoke Alarms Hard to Install?
If your smoke alarms are hard wired, that is wired into the electrical system, you will need to have a qualified electrician do the initial installation or install replacements. For battery powered smoke alarms, all you will need for installation is a screw driver. Some brands are self adhesive and will easily stick to the wall or ceiling where they are placed. For all smoke alarm installations, be sure you follow the manufacturer***8217;s instructions because there are differences between the various brands. If you are uncomfortable standing on a ladder, ask a relative or friend for help. Some fire departments will install a smoke alarm in your home for you. Call your local fire department (on a non-emergency telephone number) if you have problems installing a smoke alarm.
Helpful Tip
Pick a holiday or your birthday and replace the batteries each year on that day.

If your smoke alarm starts making a "chirping" noise, replace the batteries and reset it.

How Do I Keep My Smoke Alarm Working?
If you have a smoke alarm with batteries:
Smoke Alarms powered by long-lasting batteries are designed to replace the entire unit according to manufacturer***8217;s instructions.
In standard type battery powered smoke alarms, the batteries need to be replaced at least once per year and the whole unit should be replaced every 8-10 years.
In hard-wired, battery back up smoke alarms, the batteries need to be checked monthly, and replaced at least once per year. The entire unit should be replaced every 8-10 years.
What if the Alarm Goes Off While I***8217;m Cooking?
Then it***8217;s doing its job. Do not disable your smoke alarm if it alarms due to cooking or other non-fire causes. You may not remember to put the batteries back in the alarm after cooking. Instead clear the air by waving a towel near the alarm, leaving the batteries in place. The alarm may need to be moved to a new location. Some of the newer models have a ***8220;hush***8221; button that silences nuisance alarms.
How Long will my Smoke Alarm Last?
Most alarms installed today have a life span of about 8-10 years. After this time, the entire unit should be replaced. It is a good idea to write the date of purchase with a marker on the inside of your alarm so you will know when to replace it. Some of the newer alarms already have the purchase date written inside. In any event, always follow the manufacturer***8217;s instructions for replacement.
Anything Else I Should Know?
Some smoke alarms are considered to be ***8220;hard-wired.***8221; This means they are connected to the household electrical system and may or may not have battery backup. It***8217;s important to test every smoke alarm monthly and replace the batteries with new ones at least once a year.
The U.S. Fire Administration would like to remind you of some important fire safety and prevention information.

Plan and practice escape plans several times a year.
Make sure your whole family knows when and how to call emergency telephone numbers.
Obtain and learn how to use a fire extinguisher.
Install carbon monoxide detectors.
Consider installing residential fire sprinklers in your home.
Contact your local fire department on a non-emergency phone number if you need help or have questions about fire safety in your home.
http://www.usfa.fema.gov/citizens/ho...e_prev/alarms/

http://www.firstalertstore.com/store...alarms_faq.htm
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Old 01-16-2012, 07:30 PM
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I didn't mean they literally "know" simply that for some reason they don't go off when you are cooking. I'm sure it has to do with the physics of it, but I couldn't find an explanation other than the optical ones are better at dealing with smoldering fires.

Authority seems to be split on whether you need a dual sensor or whether the optical ones are adequate for handling both fast fires and smoldering ones.

My current ones appear to be optical and were installed by my security company . . . so far cooking and enameling don't bother them. I should probably install a couple more on my own as noise makers. . . (at $200 bucks a piece, one per floor from the security company is all that I can afford).

Edit: The real test of the "no false alarms" is going to come when I get a kiln and make some cork-core metal clay beads . . . . of course, if that DOESN'T set off the alarm, I should perhaps have it tested . . .
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Old 01-16-2012, 07:55 PM
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This thread made me go, "Does my house even have smoke detectors?"

It does--one. Next to the garage.
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