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Old 12-12-2011, 03:16 PM
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You can definitely tell that is one very eager dog that wants to work!
He is beautiful though and very vocal about his work lol

ETA: I watched the one of Backup heeling and OMG that monkey sweater he has on is ADORABLE! I want one lol
Thank you! It's from Chillydog sweaters.

Q is a very loud dog, it's obnoxious but he's such a nice dog we'll accept it.
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Old 12-12-2011, 03:42 PM
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I think you 'accidentally a word' there with genetically.

Dekka whole heartedly agrees one of the hardest things to do is sit whilst a dumbell is thrown.
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Old 12-12-2011, 03:55 PM
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I'd like to be able to help you with the retrieves, but without being with the dog it's too hard. I tend NOT to play with the dumbell, but with most of my dogs I don't want it to be that high reward and knowing they're going to have to out it, creates conflict and thus chewing. Every dog is different though and I've seen plenty play with the dumbbell for the retrieves.

If you've never looked into doing the retrieve with clicker and the food bowl and back chain each event, it creates a nice fast solid retrieve without making the dumbbell anything more than a means to an end and I have a feeling a food bowl would be a very powerful motivator for your dogs.

But anyway the videos. Everything looks nice, but the IPO rules are changing next year and auto outs are going to be heavily penalized. The new rules state there needs to be a definite transition between the fight and the out. it only took like 3 outs and he was auto outing and the others happened so fast there was no transition.

Usually people are quick on the outs if their dog won't out after a fight (I don't think it's the case here) or because they get really chewy when brought to front for all sorts of reasons ranging from conflict with the helper to conflict with the out and the handler and everything in between (and it's my guess that he gets chewy in front, but do I really know ? ). So they out really fast before that issue can arise. Some people don't even realize they do it that fast

In the past it wasn't such an issue, but starting next month and the new rules, the transition from the fight to the out must be clear and definite so the transition phase can be judged. If none is shown, it's supposed to be heavily penalized.

Just something to keep in mind. Everything looks fine up till then.

and the 2nd is more a little technical. The dog out's fine and returns pretty well, we all have room for improvement there I just noticed he uses a toy for the call back, great idea, creates speed and makes it a bit more fun to train. I use one too.

but when he calls, he calls here/fuss and then rewards on the right side. But when I notice he actually makes the dog "fuss" the dog does more of a flip finish on the left. I'd be rewarding my dog on the left in that case when the "here/fuss" is given because that is the side I want my dog returning to quickly.

It's all about imprinting. when you first call "here/fuss" of course you don't call the dog back off a helper in the blind and they come right to perfect heel position. First i'm more worried about speed and coming back so they'll get a tug on my left, because I do the flip finish. Eventually i make them miss the tug and pull it up and they flip into a finished heel position.

Now If i did the traditional german around the back type finish, then rewarding on the right side would be appropriate because that is the side you'd want them coming to on the call back, before they go around and do the finish.

It's like doing recalls to front and if you always reward with your right hand, your dog is going to cheat to the right. It won't take many times and you'll notice them coming to your right hand, rather than center. or if you always reward heeling in your right hand out in front of you, it wont' take long till your dog isn't straight or is forging in its heeling.

It's not a big deal, but just something to think about. We're always creating muscle memory when we train dogs, so every reward, it's placement etc, is important in the bigger picture. Nobody is going to fail or win first in a trial for something like this, it's just a tiny bit to make this particular exercise a bit better, everything else looks fine.

Did that make sense at all? I hate typing out what I usually just do.
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Old 12-12-2011, 04:08 PM
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Thank you but that one is not my dog. He's not even 2 yet, he's still a baby, and I do know his handler took his last dog to nat'ls in PSA so has high plans for this one so I will pass along the questions of trouble with the new rules.

Oh and the recall and reward is because this dog never wins the sleeve, if you'll notice he's given a release word prior to the reward each time as well. "Here, Fuss, OK!" Never asked for a complete finish. It's not as much about the finish position training right here but the actual reward for proper work where as my dogs both get a slipped sleeve, circles, and holds. Poor Q gets a tug. LOL

I have done clicker retrieves regularly but with this girl a few games of teasing and taking worked well! I totally am a fan of this, we'll see if she needs it but we're pretty confident at this point, she too is less than 2, we'll be just fine playing with shaping and toy drive.

Unfortunately my own dog doesn't give a rats butt about food (he's the male with no obedience shots here), he high values anything in his mouth so training his dumbbell is a bit of a pain but we're getting there.
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Old 12-12-2011, 04:14 PM
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These are IPO rules not PSA for the out, so forget it. it probably will have no bearing on him.

I know he gave an ok, and it's not about the finish at this point. he doesn't have to finish. But why imprint going to the right side, when you do a left sided flip finish?
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Old 12-12-2011, 04:23 PM
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These are IPO rules not PSA for the out, so forget it. it probably will have no bearing on him.

I know he gave an ok, and it's not about the finish at this point. he doesn't have to finish. But why imprint going to the right side, when you do a left sided flip finish?
Oh this dog is being trained for IPO, like his previous dutch, I just bring up the fact he has high aspirations for this dog. I know we've been talking a lot about some of the new changes. I totally see where the auto-out is a bit quick/easy in the first video (which are in the wrong order, second was first). I may be wrong but I think this will tighten up when they find a balance for his outs in every aspect of his life. This dog has a ridiculous love for fighting for possession.

I'll still bring it up though, it's a reasonable notice.

Not sure, I almost always catch my dog on my right because it's my stronger side and I am less likely to slip and send my dog flying across the field. LOL Far as I know he may switch it up but I don't honestly think it will hurt the finish at all.
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:23 PM
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You have the most gorgeous dogs EVER. <33 Great pictures!
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:36 PM
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You make me want a Malinois.

Or just a Backup and a Sloan.
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Old 12-12-2011, 09:35 PM
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Hmm. Do you have a link that talks about basic schutzhund training? You've sparked my curiosity. haha. I enjoyed the Q videos. How did you train her to not bite, to wait for that release? It seems like there was a barrier between Q and person that she knows/has been trained not to cross? She looks like a lovely dog to work with. Very quick!
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They're all just plain awesome!
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