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Old 11-10-2005, 07:10 PM
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well the fact is, it will most likely fail.. why lie.. if they cant find the dog a new home then i would really rather see the dog put to sleep.. a dog is not ment to sit alone in a room/crate all day long , thats not a life i would wish on any dog ... and this is something they should have thought about b4 even getting the dog

Im not saying this to be a bitch.. i just feel really sorry for all these dogs who have owners who cant understand that a dog is not a toy or something you buy cuz you reeaaally want one / your kids are bugging you 4 1.

If ppl dont have the time then why do they get them in the first place ??

and .. why dont ppl get them house broken .. his wife ( or what ever ) has been home with the dog untill a few weeks ago.. if you want it bad enough even the most stubborn dog will be dry pretty fast
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Old 11-10-2005, 07:19 PM
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>> if they cant find the dog a new home then i would really rather see the dog put to sleep..<<

I'm sorry. But you are really coming off as self-rightous. Not everyone has the luxury of staying home like you may. These people are concerned about the welfare of the puppy and at least trying to find a solution. So many people abuse their dogs, at least these folks are trying work it out.

Of course it's not an ideal situation. But adjustments can be made short of killing the dog.
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Old 11-10-2005, 07:33 PM
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>> if they cant find the dog a new home then i would really rather see the dog put to sleep..<<

I'm sorry. But you are really coming off as self-rightous. Not everyone has the luxury of staying home like you may. These people are concerned about the welfare of the puppy and at least trying to find a solution. So many people abuse their dogs, at least these folks are trying work it out.

Of course it's not an ideal situation. But adjustments can be made short of killing the dog.

Agreed 100%
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Old 11-10-2005, 07:42 PM
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omg.. it***180;s not like i***180;m saying they should take it out and shoot it ..
i***180;m saying i think they should try ( hard ) to find a better home for it.

and exuce me if i sound self-rightous, but better that then acting like a 5 year old who just HAS to have a dog: never mind the fact that i dont really have time for it..
it drives me crazy.

and being put to sleep isnt the worst thing in the world.. i would prefer being " put down " to many of the alternatives myself
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Old 11-10-2005, 08:39 PM
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Wassim,

Your are not alone and your problem isn't unique. My wife and I work and we have had pupp for the last 5 months

Here is my 2 cents worth :

1. At night she obviously sleeps in her crate. She'll never mess up in her crate. That's how dogs are.

2. You or your fiancee wake up 45-60 minutes earlier,take your pup out to pee. Take her in to have her first meal, put her back in the crate for
30-minute and then take her for walk until she poops.

3. Put her back in the crate before you leave to work.You sound like you can go home during lunch. If you can do that ... then great. Return during lunch and take her out again for 20-30 minutes.

It's a matter of a routine you have to follow. I know it's a bit hard but as long as we chose to bring a pup into our lives, we have to take the responsibility.

That's exactly what I do with my 7-month old shepherd. My day starts at 4:45 am ... even on weekends

By the way, she won't grow out of it. It will become a habit. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it's the truth.

Leaving her for 9 -10 hours straight in the crate is harsh and she won't be able to hold herself that long. She'll be forced to mess up in the crate and that's the last thing you want.

Good luck
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Old 11-10-2005, 08:45 PM
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well the fact is, it will most likely fail.. why lie.. if they cant find the dog a new home then i would really rather see the dog put to sleep.. a dog is not ment to sit alone in a room/crate all day long , thats not a life i would wish on any dog ... and this is something they should have thought about b4 even getting the dog

Im not saying this to be a bitch.. i just feel really sorry for all these dogs who have owners who cant understand that a dog is not a toy or something you buy cuz you reeaaally want one / your kids are bugging you 4 1.

If ppl dont have the time then why do they get them in the first place ??

and .. why dont ppl get them house broken .. his wife ( or what ever ) has been home with the dog untill a few weeks ago.. if you want it bad enough even the most stubborn dog will be dry pretty fast


Just out of curiosity :

1. Do u think that the millions of dog owners around the world stay at home all the time ?

2. What if I got a dog when I was at home and then got a job? Should I give up my dog or put it to sleep ?

Just wondering
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Old 11-10-2005, 08:56 PM
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No that is not what i***180;m saying

Planning is key..
if you are not working when you get a pup then great ( puppys shouldnt be left before they are trained to be able to handle it ) but if you know you might one day get a job the save money for a sitter or doggie daycare.

But here it seems ppl are more like : ooh lets get a dog
k
h crap i got a job, didnt see that one coming...
:the **** dog is crapping all over the house i dont understand why, i take her out for 5 min everyday.. hhm ( between working , sleeping , cooking and cleaning how much time is left for the dog ? )

then the dog becomes a problem and the dog gets screwed out of a meaningful life. sitting alone in a crate/house as in this case 12 hours aday.
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Old 11-10-2005, 08:59 PM
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I skimmed through the posts and I assume your problem is house training.

OK... the MAIN KEY in house training is persistence. In fact, it's the key for any sort of training and any KIND of training. Persistence, persistence, persistence.

When you take her out and she eliminates tell him/her that he/she's wonderful, pet him, give him a treat. Soon you can start adding a word for using the bathroom (ie potty).

Eventually, with time and persistence, he WILL get it.

9-10 hours isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. If you have a puppy-proofed home... maybe give her a shirt with your scent on it, leave the TV on, a warm water bottle... a lot of toys-- things should be OK.

But it isn't recommended for THAT long. It is long, for a puppy especially.

Is there anyway a puppy kindergarten or possibly a dog-sitter can be afforded? That would probably be for the best.
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Old 11-10-2005, 09:10 PM
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If you could bring her out for a nice walk and to go to the bathroom in the morning that would be great - she calm down, get some fresh air, and go to the bathroom. I know you said you can't hire a dogwalker, but is there like a teenage kid or somebody who would be willing to come over once or twice while you're gone and bring her out to go to the bathroom to earn a couple of bucks?

RoccoandQuira'sMom - I think that if you want a dog, you need to have time for it, too - you can't just get a dog, never spend time with it, and expect it to be well behaved and happy. A dog CAN be left alone for more than four hours. As adults many dogs CAN hold "it" for six to eight hours. My dogs have been left for six to eight hours, and they are perfectly fine, happy, housetrained, well behaved dogs. The only time they ever have an accident in the house is if they really really really really REALLY have to go and don't get outside, which is very rarely. Before we leave we let them out for five to ten minutes, then they come in. At least one dog is crated while we're gone. I see nothing wrong with this. Just because other people leave their dogs longer than you do, or use crates, does not mean their dogs live in their own crap and the owners are evil.
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Old 11-10-2005, 09:11 PM
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i dont know how it is in the states but here we have regulations.. many...
and recommendations.. one is dont leave your dog alone for more than 4 hours..
crating for a long time is not allowed, keeping a dog tied up in the yard is not allowed ASO.

seems kinder to the animal.

I realize that it***180;s hard to have a job and have a dog , thats why i say lan ahead. save money and you wont have these problems..
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