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Old 09-26-2011, 06:55 PM
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I think the blood panel is a good thought. I also think that it may not be unreasonable to consider anxiety medication if that's warranted. If he is that stressed, helping him chemically to feel more comfortable will allow you to do behavior modification with him. And the muzzle to keep him and everybody else safe when out of the house.

If you decide that putting him to sleep is the only good option, then it is. But I think there's quite a bit of space between here and there at this point.

Wishing you guys the best.
have to agree with all of this.
You have had alot of changes --and Bamm has had some behavioral changes along the way too (when you were in New Mexico--he had alot of room to run, and not have to cope with too much, when you were at your Mom's -he had some issues) then you move to a whole new place--and I imagine you and your husband are probably re-sorting your relationship since being able to be back together (Bamm will likely pick up on any tension). Bamm's life has become somewhat unpredictable (from what he has known)--and you know he took some time to become confident with you when you first got him. Sounds like he needs a schedule, some desensitization, (maybe with meds) and some confidence building? That's just my take having been on this journey from the time you got him.
Wilson has issues--and I do not trust him with strangers or children--but over the past few years he has become more confident in his place in our home, and less "needy" of reacting/protecting. Some dogs with "history" take time to re-adjust.
I hope you find answers with Bamm. I know how much you love him.
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I think the blood panel is a good thought. I also think that it may not be unreasonable to consider anxiety medication if that's warranted. If he is that stressed, helping him chemically to feel more comfortable will allow you to do behavior modification with him. And the muzzle to keep him and everybody else safe when out of the house.

If you decide that putting him to sleep is the only good option, then it is. But I think there's quite a bit of space between here and there at this point.

Wishing you guys the best.
I totally agree with this. And I also have to say that it's far easier for people to say "If that were my dog I'd have him PTS" when it's not their dog than it is to make that choice with a dog you know and love. No healthy, young animal wants to die.

Definitely have the bloodwork done but don't expect miracles. I've not ever personally seen dogs with aggression change drastically due to low thyroid. But that isn't the only medical option. I have seen behavioral drugs help immensely. Not a cure all for sure but they can make a difference. Better management can go a long way too. Train him to wear a muzzle in public, do Ruff Love with him, crate him when anyone comes over and take a lot of extra precautions in general to keep him and others safe.

As far as the what-ifs of having a baby with this dog, cross that bridge when you get to it. No dog really has any business being around a baby anyway. And I have known some sketchy dogs who's owners were sure would have to be PTS when the baby arrived that ended up adoring the child. Even if it ultimately becomes obvious that he can't live with a baby and can't be rehomed, that could be years away and certainly not a reason to make such a permanent decision right now.
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Old 09-28-2011, 03:05 PM
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The anxiety medication idea is a good one and I'm going to bring that up to the vet as well. Yesterday Bamm acted fine on our walk and didn't growl or lunge at anyone. Then this morning we were walking down the stairs and he reacted to someone at the bottom of the last set of stairs. :/ its weird. It's like some days he acts totally fine and other days he is completely off. I'm still planning to get a thyroid panel done and get his eyes and ears checked. I'm also going to ask the vet of there's anything else that might cause a dog to act like this medically that we can check him for.

Also. I was talking to my boss more about this situation. She said that once things calm down at work she'd like to take him for a day to do a lot more extensive evaluation on him so we can hopefully figure out what's going on with him. We had started taking a mindful mutts class with him which deals with reactive dogs but it ended up being canceled the rest of the session due to us losing one of our trainers at work and my boss isn't sure when she is going to start that class up again. Hopefully soon.

He's been totally fine inside my apartment though aside from the fact that he doesn't relax easily. He is a pretty anxious dog more often than not. Honestly. He might really benefit from anxiety medications.

I know I mentioned earlier that putting him to sleep is an option Josh and I have discussed if all our other options don't help him. I still feel that way. I just don't want anyone to think I'm jumping to the decision to euthanize him right now or anything and trust me, I don't want to have to euthanize him at all which is why I want to exhaust other options before that becomes more of an option. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping we find a way to help Bamm though and work through this because I honestly do not want to lose my dog. If we do end up eventually coming to the point where PTS is the deciding we make then I really don't want to be flamed for it. I guess that's why I'm stating again that we plan to exhaust other options first because I love this dog more than anything and I know that deep down inside he really is a great dog and he is so loyal to me and a great friend.

Eta: also I'm keeping in mind that a lot of this stress and anxiety right now could be due to moving and also Cricket having just gone through heat. I'm hoping its just that and that he will be fine.
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Old 09-28-2011, 03:09 PM
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(((((HUGS)))))

Anyone who would flame you for putting down a dog who could potentialy be dangersous but is a loved family pet and the owner did everything they could for them is a @ss. We all know how much you love Bamm. He could do alot worse for owners and is lucky he found you.

We are all here for you and please let us know how things go
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(((hugs))) The more you mention, the more I think meds might be a really good option! Def worth talking to the vet about.

I don't think anyone is saying that *you* making a call about PTS or not is bad or wrong - I know I was much more concerned about *other people* trying to push that with no idea of the whole story/picture from your side.
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You know, Romy brings up a good point about Cricket just having been through heat. That, on top of all the other stresses in the last while could really be contributing.

Even Bimmer can be twitchy when Kharma's in heat, and he's as rock solid as they come.

Rescue Remedy sure wouldn't hurt, either.
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Old 09-29-2011, 01:21 AM
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No dog should ever be given 100% trust with strangers. I don't understand why people feel that if a dog is not trustworthy with random people, that it's a dangerous beast and should be killed. Some dogs don't like people unless it's their owners. They still make good pets and can be owned safely.

Amber I think it is well within your ability as a trainer to teach him to ignore people and maintain space between himself and strangers, and muzzle him with a comfortable basket muzzle when you take him out on walks. Also muzzle when you have children and/or idiots visiting.

I would not put him down because of this. If you and Josh decide to have a baby and Bamm continues to seem dangerous throughout the pregnancy, then I think it would be a good time to make a decision about the life of your dog. Until then, it sounds like the threat of him biting somebody is quite easy to neutralize with a muzzle and some desensitization. If PTS is the best option for him, I don't think anybody is going to flame you for it Amber. You have to make the best decision for Bamm, but you also have to think about you, Josh, Cricket and the family you want to have. People's responses on an internet forum should be the last of your concerns, and anyone who would feel entitled to look down their nose at you, for doing what you think is best for your dog, needs to get off their bloody high horse.

Don't panic. He might just be stressed and grouchy from Cricket's heat, it might be a physical issue, and it might be something that you can fix quite easily with a bit of training.
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Old 09-29-2011, 01:52 AM
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I dont have any advice, but I do have (((HUGS))) what ever decision you make is YOURS to make..

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It really could be the stress from the move. Sally can be an anxious dog, and when we moved it really turned her world upside down. It took her forever to settle, she would lick herself, us, and random household objects obsessively. She was jumpy and super worried about people walking past the house-if we didn't close the shutters she would obsess at the windows constantly. She has always been timid with strangers, but became more tense on walks.

I would keep as consistent a schedule as possible with Bamm, and also practice strict NILIF. I know Sally less anxious when she knows what is coming. Also, I would walk him during a time when there are less people than normal, and use a basket muzzle. Does he have a good "watch me?" If so, I would work on that when there are strangers around.
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I don't think anyone is saying that *you* making a call about PTS or not is bad or wrong - I know I was much more concerned about *other people* trying to push that with no idea of the whole story/picture from your side.
^This x 1 million.

Only you can make that call.. People sitting on the other side of the computer screen who have never met the dog cannot even pretend to know enough about the situation to push a decision as drastic as that.
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