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Old 09-26-2011, 02:32 PM
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I'm sure I'll be the unpopular opinion here, but if you get him seen by the vet and find there's nothing medically wrong, I would PTS. I would never own a dog like that.. major liability and I would never have a dog I couldn't trust. What if he had bitten the kid?

If you won't do that, then I certainly wouldn't be taking him out in public. If he's better in the house, leave him there.
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Old 09-26-2011, 02:32 PM
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I would go with thryoid, but second to that it could be a loss of hearing or eyesight thing. I knew a dog who would, seemingly randomly, react similarly. His eyesight was going and so the stress of meeting new people (that he was never very good with) plus the stress of not being able to see them clearly made him react the way he did.

Until then, I'd use a muzzle coupled with a natural calming aid. Try Proquiet Amazon.com: ProQuiet Calming Supplement for Cats and Dogs, 60 Chewable Tablets: Everything Else it has that hormone found in turkey that makes you relaxed and kind of sleepy (I mean, it not as strong as a sedative, but it's still pretty good) and that helped Duncan. (I gave it an hour before walks)

That's really good to know. I'll mention that to the vet as well. I want them to check for anything that could be a possibility.
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Old 09-26-2011, 02:44 PM
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I feel really lucky that he was having a good day when I met him. He's such a neat dog!

I also trust YOU to make the right decision, whatever that ends up being.
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Old 09-26-2011, 02:47 PM
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It's good to see you're a reasonable person. It sucks to have a dog that is just "off". I never have, but have had friends with them and it's sad.. they never got to truly enjoy the dog because they were either afraid of the dog themselves, or they were afraid of what the dog would do when around anyone but them. For me, I just could never do that. Dogs are supposed to be fun, not be a "OMG what will he do if X happens?" kind of thing.

Like I have this one friend with a Lab.. I'm not sure if I've mentioned it on here before, but anyway. This dog has attacked her twice, completely unprovoked. One time it was playing in the pool, she was standing talking to a friend and wham, dog leaps out of the pool and launches at (and grabs) her arm, leaving puncture wounds. Just out of no where. To me, that is a dog that is mentally unstable. She called me to ask what I would do, I told her PTS, dog would've been on a one way trip to the vet after the pool incident if it were mine. But she "wants to help him" yet she is terrified of him, can't even pet him without worrying, says he has "a look in his eyes that is not normal". How she can live with that, I have no idea. And this is a dog she's had since he was a pup, so no previous neglect, etc.

Phew, anyway.

I definitely think a vet check is in order, have everything done, thyroid tested, eyes checked, ears, etc. Even still though, he may just not be right in the head.. there are dogs out there like that. It'll be up to you to decide what's right for you & your family.
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Old 09-26-2011, 03:01 PM
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I don't have much advice for you, just tons of support (( hugs )) Kiley and Bamm are so alike in ways, thankfully she is just fearful of people and avoids them instead of being aggressive.
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Old 09-26-2011, 03:03 PM
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Rosey has, unfortunately, become reactive now that her eye sight and hearing is going, when she is out with ME. This is a dog who would absolutely risk her life for me, so if an adult comes running or biking (essentially, anything faster than a walk), on her left hand side (her left eye is completely blind), she has lunged a few times and barked. She won't do anything to a child (or a shorter adult). Won't do it with anybody else walking her, just if I am with her.

It seems like is has essentially gotten worse since you moved, right? It could partially be caused by some insecurity as well... he's in a new state, in an apartment now, new people and sights and smells.

I would definitely get a full blood panel done on him and see if that comes up with anything.
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Old 09-26-2011, 03:31 PM
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Poor Bamm, I'm really sorry you guys are having this issue.

It definitely could be the move + stress on top of whatever else might be happening with him physically.

When Strider had those weird aggression issues that seem to be seizure related, we determined there was a couple things going on:

1. He was really disoriented after an episode for a day or so. It seems like he's having an aura, so no telling what kind of sensory information he's getting bombarded with when that happens.

2. I just had a baby, and he turns out to be extremely protective of the baby. He was the same way with Aurelia, but this time it's like 5x more protective. That's good because it's a behavior that can be modified and managed.

When you combine the aura and the baby, he gets some weirdo thing going on where he feels disoriented and anxious, + a very strong defense reaction toward anything that seems threatening because the baby is there and "needs" protecting. And because his senses are all screwed up everything is threatening. Anyway, we're getting his seizures under control and then there's behavior modification going on so he understands that the baby is not his responsibility 24/7 (we had to do the same thing with Aurelia).

We got a greyhound kennel muzzle for Strider to wear after he has an episode until he's not disoriented any more. It works pretty well, he can drink and pant in it. It seems comfortable, and they don't look like ZOMGKUJO! Hannibal Lector muzzles when he's being walked in public. They even come in pink, which would Bamm would rock. The place we got ours from has a really good sizing guide you can check to see if that style will fit him.

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Anyway, Bamm is really protective of you. You were extremely stressed before you moved. Moving itself, even when into a positive situation, is extremely stressful. It's supposedly the second most stressful thing someone can go through, the first being death of a spouse. He's going to be affected by all that. Also, Cricket was just in season and even though he's neutered that affects him too. Add all that stress on top of any kind of physical issue he's having and there's going to be some weird behavior cropping up.

Personally I'd get him a muzzle, some calming stuff, and manage him really closely for the next month or so to give him time to adjust to the move and give Cricket's hormone smells a chance to dissipate. Also the vet visits like you're planning and get his thryoid checked along with a complete physical to rule out eye and ear problems.

We're really praying and hoping for this to be something simple to correct. Bamm needs to be okay.
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Old 09-26-2011, 03:32 PM
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I'm sure I'll be the unpopular opinion here, but if you get him seen by the vet and find there's nothing medically wrong, I would PTS. I would never own a dog like that.. major liability and I would never have a dog I couldn't trust. What if he had bitten the kid?

If you won't do that, then I certainly wouldn't be taking him out in public. If he's better in the house, leave him there.
I didn't want to say it but was thinking you need to be prepared legally and financially for the worst. It will be a difficult to make sure Bam is safe from being able to bite and people are safe from him. I am sure your heart is breaking and I feel so sorry for you both. I had a dog that behaved the way your describing, and the end result was not good. I hope you can find an answer that will save him vibes from us. Worries with you.
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It seems like is has essentially gotten worse since you moved, right? It could partially be caused by some insecurity as well... he's in a new state, in an apartment now, new people and sights and smells.
This was my thought as well, I'm sure he is stressed from the move, and unsure of his new surroundings, etc. I hope things turn out ok (((Hugs)))
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Old 09-26-2011, 04:04 PM
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I dont think he needs to be PTS. Or at least not considered for a while. He seems like a dog who could be managed with a muzzle and crated when people are over. That's if his blood panel and check up say everything is OK.
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