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Old 08-31-2011, 08:36 PM
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This is all the distant future, but I know that once the bulldogs are gone, I want a smaller dog. A height dog for flyball.

Under 15" but not tiny
Very athletic
Lots of drive
The type of dog who is going to want to play games with me
I'm kind of over the whole terrier thing
I can only cope with so much barking
I can only cope with so much fur

Breeds I've considered
Staffy - meh on the bulldog/terrier thing at the moment
JRTs - again, terrierness
Mudi - spendy and seizures
PyrShep - maybe bigger than I want? BARKY
flyball mix - so much variety and hard to get one from a breeder I'd want to get one from, but maybe. Variable in the prey drive department and the terrierness department.
Miniature Poodle - probably not enough drive to make me happy, but they're still shortlisted and I have my eye on a breeder (songbird) who has produced OTCh and MACH dogs
Bedlington - this is based solely on one dog in our agility class who is freaking AWESOME and I love him. I have no idea how he is as a representative of the breed. I think they're kind of funny looking but I could get over this.

Thoughts? Suggestions? Corrections to my vibes on the above breeds?
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Old 08-31-2011, 08:43 PM
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I know you said you're over the terriers, but how about a Rat Terrier? Terrier enough to work, but most aren't a problem with DA .... and they are getting quite popular in agility ... plus you can do terrier racing and stuff too ...

Also, I love Border Terriers, but they're harder to find.
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I wouldn't think the RT would be drivey enough if most poodles aren't. I have met some and they are lovely dogs, but not oozing drive. (a dog doesn't need a ton of drive to do well in agility)

I say JRT If you were careful you could get one that does well in group settings. Kaiden would have made a kick butt height dog. He is almost 13.5 inches tall, fast and great with people and other dogs. Not all lines are DR/DA.
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You need a mini-Luce

Or a Boom.
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Hmm... too much fur/potential for too much barking with a sheltie? You've done the BC thing, if you went with the right breeder I think you could absolutely get a sheltie that is sporty and drivey enough for you. Auggie's brother pretty frequently has the fastest YPS out of all dogs in any height including the border collies. He's a **** good dog and knows what to do with sheep too. But finding the right breeder is the trick. Ultimately I made a grab for Payton because I knew how hard it would be to find other lines that I loved as much as his...
Also getting one under 15" is a bit of a gamble. Auggie is a bit under 14, Pepper is right around 14.5 I think, and we're hoping Payton stays right around 15, hopefully not 15.5 or bigger. You could go for dogs that traditionally throw smaller, but it's always a gamble.
Might be more trouble than it's worth to find just the right one if you aren't absolutely gaga over the breed.

I like PyrShep's but they are bigger than shelties... AKC says 15-20 inches.
Corgi not quite athletic enough for you?
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Papillon.... you know you wanna! They really aren't much hair to deal with being single coated. I only comb mine maybe every other week right now.
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I say JRT If you were careful you could get one that does well in group settings. Kaiden would have made a kick butt height dog. He is almost 13.5 inches tall, fast and great with people and other dogs. Not all lines are DR/DA.
I'm not so concerned with the DR/DA stuff as the generalized terrier prey-drive murder cats in the backyard stuff.
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I had a Bedlington for 15 years, although he was never a sport dog and just a pet. There are also three or four in the area I've seen at trials and classes.

You've had a poodle before if I remember correctly, so I will skip the "oh dear god the grooming" speech - it is what will keep me from ever owning another.

I'd be a bit surprised to see one with the kind of drive for toys I see in flyball dogs. Medley was never super into toys, and the Bedlingtons I see at agility trials are far from "high drive, go go" dogs. Granted, I know how much of that is training. I admit, it just surprises me to see them on a list of flyball prospects.

I'd also be shocked to see one under 15". That seemed really small to me, and so I glanced at the standard and yes - under 15" is specifically listed as a severe fault.

I like the breed as well as I like most terriers; the digging and the small animal killing, along with the grooming, are my big turn offs for Bedlingtons.

Are you specifically looking for a breeder dog? The only reason I ask is that I've seen quite a collection of drivey small dogs come through rescue over the years. I suspect most if not all have some terrier in them, but I think if you are willing to do a young adult especially, you can get a lot of very cool sport dogs who someone got as a small pet and went "Oh my lord what did I get" when they realized how high energy they were.
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Hmm... too much fur/potential for too much barking with a sheltie?
Corgi not quite athletic enough for you?
Shelties have just never appealed to me. At all. Too hairy, too barky, too... I don't know. Something in their expression I guess just turns me off. There are a ton of nice-running shelties at my training club, but I just don't care for 'em.

Same with Corgis- I just don't care for 'em.
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As I was typing, you mentioned that the cat issue is your big concern with terriers. Medley did live quite peacefully with our cat - who was older than him, weighed 23 pounds, and could take him down like a gorilla going after a fly. We never once had an issue with Medley where I was concerned about any cat's safety with him, even when they wandered in the yard (invisible fence). He did kill squirrels, chipmunks, moles, and skunks with incredible frequency.
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