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Old 08-30-2011, 01:53 AM
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It seems to me like something's always been 'off' with Fleetwood. For those of you who don't remember, I've had problems with his behavior around other dogs from 11weeks old. And issues with his digestive system, skin and coat, and pain in his legs along the way. Among other things.

He started limping when he was about 6 months old (going on 9 months old now) and it seems to be Panosteitis, it switches legs and it's random. He broke out in (what looked like) hives one day after a bath, when he was about 5 months old. He itched, chewed, bled, lost some hair, and his coat became really brittle for a few weeks-- but it subsided after a steroid shot and antibiotics. However, it never fully went away. He's had itchy bumps- like cysts- on his back since then, that get better and worse. Randomly. And brittle hair, and dry skin.

Some days he's more fearful of people and other dogs, and I'm disappointed in his behavior. Some days, he's a champ! And I'm proud to have him at my side.

Some days he's tired. lethargic. He doesn't want to eat, or have treats, and he isn't happy. He seems to dislike attention and even the other dogs being around at some times. But he will perk up to play ball, or go for a walk.

Finally, he has never had consistent stools. It's always Loose, smelly, or downright diarrhea. Lately, on Innova, he's had pretty decent stools. But some days his stomach is making noises all day and he has loose stool, and doesn't want to eat much.

I started logging everything-- how he feels on any particular day, how he acts, what he eats, how much exercise he gets... And my findings are a little odd. It seems like, most or all of his symptoms coincide on the same days. It's like when we wake up, I know it's either a good day or a bad day. Let's stay in the house all day, or let's go downtown to the cafe-day. And it seems to be completely random.

For example, Yesterday he woke up a little groggy, but ate around lunch time. I got home from work, and we went for a walk with a friend and her dog, and he did wonderful. He was energetic, liked the other dog, and just plain 'went wild' on our walk. He had a blast. We got home and played ball for about 15 minutes.

But today, he's been tired, and lacking energy. Woke up limping. He seems distant, and just isn't... thriving. We went for a hike and swim, and he totally perked up for that, but we didn't see any people. He heard some noises and seemed jumpy, which isn't his usual self. We got back in the car and home, and again, just laying around looking unhappy and limping. Loose stools, all day.

So there doesn't really seem to be a rhyme or reason. And I did have his thyroid tested, it was normal. He had bloodwork done 3 months ago, Normal. I don't know where to go from here. I suppose it's not as dramatic as I make it sound, but it's quite noticable to me.

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Old 08-30-2011, 07:21 AM
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Has he been tested for Lyme yet?
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Old 08-30-2011, 09:20 AM
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The only food that my friend can feed her dog is TOTW Pacific Stream. Any brand of dog food with chicken, chicken broth, etc. in it gives him loose stools. If you try changing foods, remember it will take a week or so to see results.
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Old 08-30-2011, 11:53 AM
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Have you looked into feeding raw at all?

I know feeding raw has helped alot of people who have dogs that have stomach and other issues. I believe Kady's Piper is one of them.
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Old 08-30-2011, 12:31 PM
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He has not been tested for Lyme disease. I didn't even think of that as a possibility, since 1) lymes is not common in our area, 2) he has never had a tick (that I've seen) 3) He's been on frontline forever, and 4) he had the vaccine. I know it's possible, but not probable. However now that you've mentioned it, and I looked at all the symptoms, it seems very similar.

I would like to feed raw, but my breeder is not a big fan of raw feeding, and in the contract there is a stipulation that I cannot feed raw until a certain age. I am thinking of asking her to let me try it, to eliminate any food sensitivites as a cause. But honestly he's been on so many (high quality) foods with no change. For about 1-2 months each (although I know 1 month is cutting it a little short.).
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:01 PM
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I would like to feed raw, but my breeder is not a big fan of raw feeding, and in the contract there is a stipulation that I cannot feed raw until a certain age. I am thinking of asking her to let me try it, to eliminate any food sensitivites as a cause. But honestly he's been on so many (high quality) foods with no change. For about 1-2 months each (although I know 1 month is cutting it a little short.).
I really think it would be worth giving it a shot. Start with one protien at a time and go from there. And see if that helps. And personally I would be kinnda miffed if I bough a dog from a good breeder and it ended up having sensativites and issues and then them not allowing me to try different options to try and help the issues. Because of that reasoning I think she should let you try raw.
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:20 PM
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Well, I can't put any of the blame on my breeder. I don't really know if I'm being super paranoid, or if he really does have a problem. Diet has NEVER seemed to influence his problems, so I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I've had him on grain free, not grain free, chicken, salmon, single protein source... And so on.
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:36 PM
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Gah!

thats gotta be frustrating. I guess all you can do is trail and error and see if you get any different results. Poor guy
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It almost sounds like something auto-immune or something is going on. Do any if his littermates, or parents' littermates, have any similar issues?

Have you had a fecal culture and/or PCR done? Logan had on again off again diarrhea at first and after a while of assuming it was food sensitivities, we did a PCR and he came up positive for clostridium. Antibiotics cleared it up and he's had zero problems since the round of antibiotics and changing to TOTW. One of the dogs I've been training/dogsitting also had clostridium and at first he was lethargic on some days too. Antibiotics took care of that as well.
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Old 08-30-2011, 02:59 PM
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If you present a well-thought out, detailed argument as to why you want to try raw and provide a list of resources backing up your argument (or even a copy of his new diet), the breeder should listen. No guarantee, but she and I had a lot of discussions about diet, I was pro-raw and she hadn't seen enough to be convinced and more people doing wrong.
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