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Old 10-02-2012, 01:42 PM
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I'm not sure how to ask this without is sounding snarky, and I sure don't mean it that way, just curious, but Barbara, why are you so angrily defending Teal? Why not let her/him speak for themselves? What dog do you have in this fight?

As for the rest... Oy...
First off, I can't look at those pictures and remain neutral. Just can't.
There are so many ways I can speculate as to what happened, but I really have a hard time thinking the breeder let that happen to the pup only to fatten the pup up again and make Teal look bad. That just doesn't add up.

The breeder not wanting folks to know that she totally vetted a potential buyer wrong - that I can see.

Either way, I feel this sort of thing needs to come out, needs to see the light of day, needs to be talked about in the open.
There was a great dane breeder who was showing, presenting a great front to the world, come to find out she has major abuse and neglect going on at home. Who knows how much longer those dogs would have suffered had someone not had the guts to say something and push for an investigation instead of whispers ringside.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:45 PM
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If you're going to say something about someone, say it. Don't hide behind semantics and the "oh, but I didn't say their name" bull.


But seriously... Really?
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:11 PM
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Why is Barbara defending Teal so zealously?

Probably -- and I'm speculating -- because she's a friend? I won't fault that, although the methods maybe aren't really helping all that much.

Do I think Teal is an awful, reprehensible human being with no conscience or redeeming qualities?

No. Again, speculating, but somehow I think this might be a case of getting into something that was too far beyond what she was expecting and things went south. As much as she sounds, from her own posts, like she was avoiding this little guy, she may not have even consciously noticed the harm until it was in-your-face obvious.

Was it handled well? The way the accounts read and from the pictorial evidence, OH HELL NO. Are the questions being answered adequately? Nope. But I can understand how Teal would be feeling very defensive, and that isn't conducive to clear thinking.

Neither does feeling as if one is being attacked tend to make one feel inclined -- or safe -- in opening up and admitting something went terribly wrong and and expressing how one feels.

We make mistakes, some mistakes are worse than others. We learn, we make sure we don't make those mistakes again.

Is RedChrome a vindictive bitch for bringing this back up?

I don't see it. I see someone who is concerned that the same thing doesn't happen again, and understandably angry that it happened in the first place, has questions and wants answers and accountability. The obvious history between the RC and Teal sets the stage for a seemingly unavoidably adversarial encounter.

The best thing that could come of all this is a clearing of the air, deep breaths, learning and realization and maybe even a step away from animosity.

Just on a personal note, no, I can't fathom anyone being able to turn their back on a Fila, and those photos of him bring tears to my eyes and make my heart hurt, seeing how hurt and sad he was, even knowing he has a home where he is loved and cherished now, but that's just me, and that's why I'm a Fila person. But, as several of us have said over and over and over, they aren't for everyone.
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:15 PM
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Something has REALLY been bothering me after someone asked why Teal would try to return a puppy to the breeder if it was in such poor condition without fattening it up first.

If we are to believe the breeder then (from post #75 if anyone wants to backtrack):

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I had a total of 2 phone calls from her in the two months he was with her. ALL that was said was that he followed her everywhere. That IS WHAT FILAS DO. I have six of my own, and getting into the bathroom has to be quick to get the door shut because they want to make sure you are not sneaking out a hidden door. His brain was and is stable and well.
If that's true, Teal was lying from the beginning about the breeder being unresponsive about returning the puppy. The whole thread started as a cover for whatever was going to happen to him until people dug up her name (which Teal got upset about), posted her contact info (which Teal also got upset about) and someone else made the breeder aware of the situation.

This is really making me sick to my stomach. I don't want to think that's what happened. But it's right there. I know personally I believe Dianna over anyone else.
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:29 PM
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The pattern of behavior disturbs me and makes me question what really happened to some of the other dogs that Jairi had a hard time interacting or connecting with.

I don't think this was done on purpose but it was done.
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Old 10-02-2012, 03:10 PM
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There have been a few posts on Chaz that have broke my heart...this is one of them. The pictures as so very sad. To see a Fila puppy( Any Puppy ) in this shape is devastating. I only hope and pray is has not been done to other dogs in the past and will not be repeated in the future. Filas, are not for most people. The majority of people do not, or never will, be able to understand this breed.

I am going to go hug my three monsters, go visit Brutie, Cleo and the other dog's graves. Cry some more. Then, thank God and the Universe for allowing me to be so incredibly blessed to have been able to share my life with such beautiful, loving, kind, considerate, amazing, funny, warped, smarter than most humans, and last, but not least...majestic animals. They really are angels from on high.
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:27 PM
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I honestly don't see what that has to do with anything. The puppy shouldn't have been under stress - he was in a home where he'd been for quite some time (so one would assume there was little stress) and he clearly had no problem eating in an entirely new place if he gained 28 pounds in two weeks.



Do you really think so? This photo looks ok to you? (I'm not trying to be snarky and I'm not trying to pick on you personally, I'm really wondering if you think this is acceptable.)



IMO he looks skinny and unhealthy in that picture. His fur has that frayed look that I associate with malnourished dogs. Especially compared to the other pictures of him where he's shiny and puppy chubby.
No offense taken. I do feel that puppy looks perfectly healthy. It's highly recommended that large breeds are kept lean during growth. And really, a growth spurt could result in a puppy looking super skinny suddenly. The breeder is a show breeder and obviously they prefer fatter dogs than working people. I know a certain Kelpie puppy, Limit, who has gone through some crazy skinny phases where he looked just as thin as Bullseye does there... thinner even! But no one would accuse his mom of anything but amazing care of her digs. An owner who doesn't care enough to feed her puppy some kibble isn't going to take that puppy on socialization outings, take professional photos of them, and keep them for months even when the breeder neglects to answer their calls and ignores their requests to return the puppy for weeks. A malnourished puppy isn't going to be running and playing with other pups.
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:34 PM
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No offense taken. I do feel that puppy looks perfectly healthy. It's highly recommended that large breeds are kept lean during growth. And really, a growth spurt could result in a puppy looking super skinny suddenly. The breeder is a show breeder and obviously they prefer fatter dogs than working people. I know a certain Kelpie puppy, Limit, who has gone through some crazy skinny phases where he looked just as thin as Bullseye does there... thinner even! But no one would accuse his mom of anything but amazing care of her digs. An owner who doesn't care enough to feed her puppy some kibble isn't going to take that puppy on socialization outings, take professional photos of them, and keep them for months even when the breeder neglects to answer their calls and ignores their requests to return the puppy for weeks. A malnourished puppy isn't going to be running and playing with other pups.
there are vet records out there that prove he was malnourished though. Its also been said by the breeder that she hadnt had more then 2 phone calls from the person. They made it a point to drive (2 hours i think its been said) to GET the dog and take it to the new home.
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:34 PM
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I honestly cant judge body condition by the pic Teal posted. Yes, owning a giant breed puppy they do get very thin and ribby/hippy even quickly. But NOT emaciated in a day or two....the pic he looks on the lean side but you cant tell if its just a bit lean from a growth spurt or actually skinny on the way to emaciated. With the follow up pic from the breeder just days after this pic was supposedly taken the conclusion would be too thin in this pic vs just lean growing pup.

I am not familiar enough at all to judge a fila but something looks off in tah pic, he looks a bit lackluster and sickly - but again, can't really tell
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Also looking at the breeders pictures on their site they dont look fat but normal weight.
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