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Old 08-29-2011, 09:15 AM
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He's a puppy. I'm not sure why people look at a 4/5 month old pup and assume that the dog will be the same at 2 years of age. Or that the dog at 2 years of age will be the same at 5 years of age.

Dogs go through stages in their maturation and development. Just because a dog is all lovey-dovey at 5 months doesn't mean that at 10 months he'll be the same. Most likely you'll have the ornery "teenager" that requires a "why should I" explanation for each and every thing.

I can't wait until I get my next Fila. It's been a long wait and a lot of having to put off dogs "now" so that I can make sure that my home is properly settled and everything is ready.

As fort solitary bathroom time, I haven't had that in a looooong time (even before my human kiddos...lol). My Rottie was determined to poke her head behind the shower curtain and watch. My Dogo would lie by the door and make sure I was safe. My Fila practically showered with me. My Cane Corso/Mastiff would be in the same room, but not necessarily wanting to be right next to me. And the APBTs....well, they just constantly stay amused at how water can come out of the wall.

I've never owned a mastiff/moloss breed that wasn't extremely devoted to me. But devotion did not equal completely dependent and soft. While my Fila wanted in my lap at rest times, my Shar Pei/Corso preferred to be in the room but not necessarily next to me unless it was his idea. My Dogo also preferred to be in the same room, but was much more of a guardian dog in that he took his place next to the door or a window for look-out duty.

Even so, I've always found that working with those dogs was more like having a two-way conversation instead of me just telling and them just listening. What I was saying had to make sense to them. Sometimes, especially with Wrigley, they thought I was wrong and continued to do things their way. It's like you could see them listening, thinking it over, and then saying "Nope. Not doing that. Kthanksbye.". One thing they were not were blind followers. My APBTs will do anything and everything I tell them to do just because it came out my mouth (or was signaled by hand). Not the others. I had to make sure that they realized I was ALWAYS the smarter one and the one in charge or else they would steal that role right out from underneath me (which happens in far too many ownership cases IMO).

So, IMO, the moral of the story is that such a young pup is just a pup trying to form a bond and figure out to whom he belongs. And IMO just because a dog shows devototion and affection, doesn't mean he's weak, soft, or lacking confidence.

Having these dogs isn't supposed to equal some cool power trip.

Get the pup back to his breeder. I can't imagine a breeder wanting a pup in a home that doesn't care for it and is outspoken in it's disdain for having to even do the basics such as feed it and take it out. I just pray that such an emotional neglect doesn't lead to problems later on. It did in my rescue girl and she was never the same. She paid the ultimate price because of how her previous owners neglected her in every way possible. These dogs have memories like elephants. They don't forget.

An owner owes a dog so much more. So very much more.


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Old 08-29-2011, 10:08 AM
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Should read "Shar Pei/Cane Corso"
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Old 08-29-2011, 11:30 AM
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:13 PM
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I need my dog to never leave my side. That little guy sounds perfect for me! Funny how we all want something a little bit different in a four-legged friend.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:28 PM
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:32 PM
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He's a puppy. I'm not sure why people look at a 4/5 month old pup and assume that the dog will be the same at 2 years of age. Or that the dog at 2 years of age will be the same at 5 years of age.

Dogs go through stages in their maturation and development. Just because a dog is all lovey-dovey at 5 months doesn't mean that at 10 months he'll be the same. Most likely you'll have the ornery "teenager" that requires a "why should I" explanation for each and every thing.

I can't wait until I get my next Fila. It's been a long wait and a lot of having to put off dogs "now" so that I can make sure that my home is properly settled and everything is ready.

As fort solitary bathroom time, I haven't had that in a looooong time (even before my human kiddos...lol). My Rottie was determined to poke her head behind the shower curtain and watch. My Dogo would lie by the door and make sure I was safe. My Fila practically showered with me. My Cane Corso/Mastiff would be in the same room, but not necessarily wanting to be right next to me. And the APBTs....well, they just constantly stay amused at how water can come out of the wall.

I've never owned a mastiff/moloss breed that wasn't extremely devoted to me. But devotion did not equal completely dependent and soft. While my Fila wanted in my lap at rest times, my Shar Pei/Corso preferred to be in the room but not necessarily next to me unless it was his idea. My Dogo also preferred to be in the same room, but was much more of a guardian dog in that he took his place next to the door or a window for look-out duty.

Even so, I've always found that working with those dogs was more like having a two-way conversation instead of me just telling and them just listening. What I was saying had to make sense to them. Sometimes, especially with Wrigley, they thought I was wrong and continued to do things their way. It's like you could see them listening, thinking it over, and then saying "Nope. Not doing that. Kthanksbye.". One thing they were not were blind followers. My APBTs will do anything and everything I tell them to do just because it came out my mouth (or was signaled by hand). Not the others. I had to make sure that they realized I was ALWAYS the smarter one and the one in charge or else they would steal that role right out from underneath me (which happens in far too many ownership cases IMO).

So, IMO, the moral of the story is that such a young pup is just a pup trying to form a bond and figure out to whom he belongs. And IMO just because a dog shows devototion and affection, doesn't mean he's weak, soft, or lacking confidence.

Having these dogs isn't supposed to equal some cool power trip.

Get the pup back to his breeder. I can't imagine a breeder wanting a pup in a home that doesn't care for it and is outspoken in it's disdain for having to even do the basics such as feed it and take it out. I just pray that such an emotional neglect doesn't lead to problems later on. It did in my rescue girl and she was never the same. She paid the ultimate price because of how her previous owners neglected her in every way possible. These dogs have memories like elephants. They don't forget.

An owner owes a dog so much more. So very much more.


JMO as always.


I am appalled that you are implying I neglected him in any way. You can see in his pictures that he is in NO way neglected, physically or emotionally - he is just not the type of dog for me.

I really don't understand WHY that is such a hard issue for yall to grasp. I guess that's what I get for seeking advice on something I don't have any experience with (trying to return a dog to a breeder)... it turns into a man hunt, and suddenly I am an inept and neglectful owner. THAT is just awesome.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:45 PM
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Sounds so much like what I'd like in a dog it's almost got me wanting one someday in the distant future. In the long run though if it's not the right dog for you, it's just not the right dog. I agree that the pup is better off going back to the breeder than staying in a home where he doesn't fit in.
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In case anyone read the original **** thread, but missed this small detail- I NEVER asked if the dog should go back to the breeder or not.

My decision already was to return the dog to the breeder, who refused to get in touch with me for over a week after she was supposed to call me back. My questions were about options I had when I couldn't get in touch with her - but mostly it was to just rant my frustration over the situation.

Just because the dog didn't fit, doesn't mean I didn't like him. He is a great boy, and I wanted him to be returned as soon as possible so he can start looking for the right home for him as soon as possible. I've got a heart - I'm not some cold jerk. I feel terrible for how everything went.

I don't know why it surprises me that people would take this opportunity to burn me on a stake... but that's what people on forums do. I've had a lot of scrutiny against me, but I've never received this level of hostility for something that really doesn't deserve it. I returned a dog to his breeder that wasn't the right dog for me... where did I go wrong with that?
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:25 PM
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In case anyone read the original **** thread, but missed this small detail- I NEVER asked if the dog should go back to the breeder or not.

My decision already was to return the dog to the breeder, who refused to get in touch with me for over a week after she was supposed to call me back. My questions were about options I had when I couldn't get in touch with her - but mostly it was to just rant my frustration over the situation.

Just because the dog didn't fit, doesn't mean I didn't like him. He is a great boy, and I wanted him to be returned as soon as possible so he can start looking for the right home for him as soon as possible. I've got a heart - I'm not some cold jerk. I feel terrible for how everything went.

I don't know why it surprises me that people would take this opportunity to burn me on a stake... but that's what people on forums do. I've had a lot of scrutiny against me, but I've never received this level of hostility for something that really doesn't deserve it. I returned a dog to his breeder that wasn't the right dog for me... where did I go wrong with that?
I personally wasn't trying to be hostile at all. I was actually trying to be supportive. Like the other poster said, we don't all want the same things in dogs. Just because several of us mentioned that we would like a dog that behaved that way, doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the fact that you don't feel the same way. I think it's a sad situation for any dog to be uprooted from what they've started to know as their home, but in the long run it's better than being kept where they don't belong.
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I personally wasn't trying to be hostile at all. I was actually trying to be supportive. Like the other poster said, we don't all want the same things in dogs. Just because several of us mentioned that we would like a dog that behaved that way, doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the fact that you don't feel the same way. I think it's a sad situation for any dog to be uprooted from what they've started to know as their home, but in the long run it's better than being kept where they don't belong.


Yes, it's sad. But that is no reason for someone to say I neglected the dog, or to imply that I am a bad owner. It's not as if I am overjoyed or have no strong emotions on the situation - I feel just as bad as the rest of you. It's not emotionally easy to give up a dog - and then to have everyone jump on my case about it. Dogs are incredibly adaptable... I have no doubts the dog will be just fine.

Now that he has been returned to his breeder, this thread is pointless. I don't need any more posts telling me how horrible I am for it all. Thanks.
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