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Old 06-11-2011, 06:09 PM
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Cool Peoples views on Spaying?

I was planning on getting my girl spayed asap to when she could be.The vet's i had researched all said they would aim to do her spaying before her first season.I was with one of my friends the other day who is also at my vets and she told me that her vet (our vet) refused to spay her Jackchi until it had HAD her first season.He believes that it was in their best intrest to wait until a bitch had had her first season and then do the chop,something about it being better for their hormones etc,and allowing them to fully mature...
what does everyone think?
I was hoping to avoid the whole "dog period" thing and get her spayed asap but not if its not good for her?Anyone else heard of this?

P.s Yes I do think periods are "gross" lol,I'm a girl I know their natural blah blah,but I don't like the idea,obviously if its in her best interest I'll be willing to go through it with her!
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Old 06-11-2011, 06:17 PM
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Heats are a lot different than a human having their period. Just throwing that out there!

Most lady dogs I'd do at 6 months. 18 months if it were a breed that I wanted to let finish growing first, like a GSD or something. I have no desire to breed, so I'd probably not keep an intact girl. However I have no problem with responsible people that can 100% avoid an oops keeping intact dogs.

I don't think it matters either way as far as before or after the first heat, there are arguments on both sides of the fence. SO if you want to skip that, I say go for it!
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Old 06-11-2011, 06:18 PM
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For female dogs, the situation is more complex. The number of health benefits associated with spaying may exceed the associated health problems in some (not all) cases. On balance, whether spaying improves the odds of overall good health or degrades them probably depends on the age of the female dog and the relative risk of various diseases in the different breeds.

On the positive side, spaying female dogs

***8226; if done before 2.5 years of age, greatly reduces the risk of mammary tumors, the most common malignant tumors in female dogs
***8226; nearly eliminates the risk of pyometra, which otherwise would affect about 23% of intact female dogs; pyometra kills about 1% of intact female dogs
***8226; reduces the risk of perianal fistulas
***8226; removes the very small risk (***8804;0.5%) from uterine, cervical, and ovarian tumors

On the negative side, spaying female dogs

***8226; if done before 1 year of age, significantly increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer); this is a
common cancer in larger breeds with a poor prognosis
***8226; increases the risk of splenic hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 2.2 and cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of >5; this is a common cancer and major cause of death in some breeds
***8226; triples the risk of hypothyroidism
***8226; increases the risk of obesity by a factor of 1.6-2, a common health problem in dogs with many associated health problems
***8226; causes urinary ***8220;spay incontinence***8221; in 4-20% of female dogs
***8226; increases the risk of persistent or recurring urinary tract infections by a factor of 3-4 ***8226; increases the risk of recessed vulva, vaginal dermatitis, and vaginitis, especially for female dogs spayed before puberty
***8226; doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract tumors
***8226; increases the risk of orthopedic disorders
***8226; increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations

It's all going to depend on who you talk to. Me personally? If I was even going to spay at all which is a big if, it wouldn't be done until the dog was at least two years old and fully mature. But you have to be able to be responsible about it and make sure she is never put in a position to be bred while in heat.

Whatever you decide just make sure it's an educated thought out decision.
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Old 06-11-2011, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by monkeys23 View Post
Heats are a lot different than a human having their period. Just throwing that out there!
Lol yeah..I know that I just didn't want people thinking I just didn't want her to have them cos the whole idea is icky and stuff!
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Old 06-11-2011, 07:05 PM
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With a dog that small, you'd be fine spaying her at 6 months from a structural standpoint. From a hormonal view, it's better to wait.

However, heats are messy and a huge hassle. You must be ABSOLUTELY sure no male dogs can get to her at any time during her heat and unlike us, the heat isn't over when she stops bleeding. That's actually her most fertile time. So think about the pros and cons and go with whatever what you feel is best. A lot of people spay their pets so they don't have to deal with heats.

Personally, I'd wait until she's had her first heat at least.
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Old 06-12-2011, 10:17 AM
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A lot is going to depend on you and what you think you can handle. Most breeders want them done before 6 months because most people aren't careful when they aren't used to having intact animal so it is more a safety net to ensure they aren't being bred (not saying this is you but there are some less than careful people out there).

We have mastiffs and they don't tend to mature or stop growing until they are 18 months to 2 years at least so it is best to wait until 18 months but again it will depend on your breeder and on if you think you can deal with a heat cycle or 2.

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Old 06-12-2011, 10:28 AM
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I'm going to just echo what Linds said.

I knew from the start that I did want to spay Quinn, she's not a breeding prospect, I CAN keep her from getting pregnant but the messy heats will take her out of training/trialling every six months and its just messy. She's 12 months old now, I was originally planning to desex her after she hit 12 months AND had her first heat. Now I'm likely going to wait till she's atleast 2 and then think about it again. She is yet to have her first heat so we'll see how we work around them as they happen.

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Old 06-12-2011, 05:18 PM
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Thanks everyone!I guess I'll just see what my vet has to say and roll with that.I don't plan to go into breeding and I do not want her getting knocked up,but it shouldn't be a problem to keep her inside.Won't she go mad from no exercise though?The thought makes me loooopppyy
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Old 06-12-2011, 05:38 PM
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You can take them out to exercise. Esp with a little dog that you can pick up. You just make sure your dog is on a leash. If loose dogs come up and seem a little to interested pick up your dog and head home.
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Old 06-12-2011, 05:56 PM
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I think you have to educate yourself then decide what works for you, your dog, and your situation. For us there was no question that our dane girl would not be having a heat. We are in the boonies, no fenced yard, lots of feral dogs, and young kids in the house who are used to leaving doors and gates open. Having a teenage dane tethered to me 24/7 for 3 weeks or boarding her for 3 weeks or more just wasn't in the cards.

Fortunately for me, we have a super vet who is actually the regional vet for a major GH rescue. I figure if she can spay GH in heat, she can handle a routine spay on a healthy dog.

That said, we did wait until she was 11 months to spay. She's 2.5 now and zero issues, no spay incontinence, no temperament issues... Obviously other things could crop up later on, but she's also from a BYB so who knows what issues are genetic and what are due to an early spay.
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