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Old 05-11-2011, 10:30 AM
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Now that I am feeling much better I can give the post on Luna's puppy class that she went to on Monday. I wasn't able to go. I woke up on Sunday morning with a slightly sore throat. With in a few hours I was having sever chills and heat flashes and so on. It was awful. It lasted till yesterday when I finally forced myself to go to the doctor. Found out a had a serious throat infection. So now I am on some meds that have helped a great deal.

Anyway with me feeling that awful Doug took Luna to the class. The funny part was he got lost. And ended up coming home to agian look up the direction. He did get there. A 1/2 hour late. He said there is a good group of dogs there. About 8-9. Some small and some large. He is not great at identifying breeds yet but he is pretty sure one is a poodle and is positive one is a husky. Luna did good as far as he is concerned. She sniffed hands of people and also sniffed noses of some of the dogs. She tried to snap at some of the larger dogs so Doug gave a slight correction for that since there was no reason for the snap. He got asked to do no corrections. This trainer does not believe in corrections and is purely positive training. I might try to have a discussion with her on that because we do believe in both corrections and postive reinforcement. But since the class is only one hour a week we might just go with the flow.

Her nerves did get to her on the way to class and she got sick in the back of the car. But she did not piddle at of during class. So that was great. We had been thinking she might. All in all it wasn't too bad from what Doug said. He is just not comfortable with the purely positive based type training. To him it makes no sense. He does not understand how someone could think ignoring a bad behaviour will make it go away. So I explained to him that many different trainers follow many different ways to train. He is used to me. That will match the training to the personality of the dogs. I am not a fan of food based training. Everyone knows this. BUT Luna is being trained with food rewards because this is her trigger. Figured it out in a month. Toys excite her but not like food does. Unlike Sheena who will ignore all food for a ball, Luna will ignore all toys for a treat. So we go with the flow. I explained to him that some people find something that works for them and sticks with it. She does clicker training and I am interested in seeing how Luna will respond to it. I have done it before but not with Luna. And I think she might respond well to it.

Anyway that is the update.
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Old 05-11-2011, 10:35 AM
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Give the trainer a chance and see how she works before trying to go and change up the class.
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Old 05-11-2011, 10:39 AM
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Oh we are not going to try and change up her class. In no way. It is her class. She is the trainer. What I meant was talking to her privately that we do believe in using both positive reward and corrections. We plan to attend her next set of classes and then move on to her agility classes. So we want to make sure we can train with how we are comforable. Not change up how she would teach others to train their dogs. When we took Sheena to classes for this same reason we talked to the trainers and explained that to them and they made an exception for us. Which worked great for us and them. That is what I am hoping for here too.
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Old 05-11-2011, 10:53 AM
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It sounds like you chose this specific trainer for a reason. I would challenge you to try things her way, instead of trying to get an exception made, which sort of defeats the purpose of going to that particular trainer.

I always got really irritated with people who came to my training classes because they needed/wanted help with their dogs and then insisted on doing everything their way. You're paying good money for their expertise for a reason, otherwise, just save the bucks and train at home.
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Old 05-11-2011, 10:58 AM
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Be prepared for her to say no. You are right it doesn't hurt to ask, BUT she not only has her own ethics to think about but her other clients.

I know MANY people who would leave a class if other dogs were getting corrected around their puppies (this is an issue that came up with traditional trainers showing up to positive puppy classes)

While its your decision how you train your dog, other people might not want your 'correction vibes' near their puppies. I would have take Bounce out of a class when she was a puppy if others were correcting. Its an added stress she doesnt' need. The JRTs wouldn't have cared, even as pups.
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Old 05-11-2011, 11:04 AM
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We choose her for one reason. There are not very many classes held in our city and hers was the soonest to start. And we are not going to her for training issues. We told her that when we signed up. We are going to her for purely socialization. She knew that when I talked to her on the phone. And she agreed that the best trainers in the world still need to have other dogs to bring thier puppies around to socialize them properly.

We are prepared if she says no. We will understand why. And go with the flow while at class. Like I said it is only an hour a week. So no big deal and we can train our way the rest of the time. We also need her class to be able to end up competing with Luna in agility. I know how to train for agility but I want to be with a club to work and compete in. With my last club they had no problem with the exception. And like Dekka said it never hurts to ask. So we will ask and see where it goes.
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I always got really irritated with people who came to my training classes because they needed/wanted help with their dogs and then insisted on doing everything their way. You're paying good money for their expertise for a reason, otherwise, just save the bucks and train at home.
^^^This. As a trainer, I've fired clients who were not willing to listen to me.

Plus, think of it this way: Say I'm teaching a class with several puppies who absolutely would not do well with punishment, so I'm trying everything I can do to get their owners - who've never done positive reinforcement - to learn alternative methods that don't involve punishment. Then you walk in and use corrections, and those other clients see that it works for you. That pretty much undermines everything I'm trying to teach them.... Which is damaging to me and my reputation, as well as damaging to their puppies who may not be able to handle corrections like yours does.

I was looking into puppy classes for Keegan, just for socialization. I observed one class from a trainer I was considering, with the intent that I'd just do what she said for that one hour a week and then train my own way at home. But I disagreed so strongly with a lot of the things she was saying, that I knew I wouldn't be able to sit through 6 weeks of classes without at least noticeably rolling my eyes.... Which is not good for the trainer or the other students in the class. So I moved on to a different trainer who was more tolerable.

So I say this mostly for the lurkers who may stumble upon this thread: Just like you don't "click" with every teacher you have in school, you can't expect to "click" with every dog trainer, either. And no good can come from going to the wrong trainer.
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Old 05-11-2011, 12:44 PM
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I agree. And if there were more options for puppy classes in my city then I would find a trainer that clicks. But sadly the options are limited. And like I said I have no problem going with the flow for during the classes. But we will ask first. She can say no. That is her option. That other class I was in with Sheena the trainers there had no issue with it. It depends on the trainers. I won't undermine someones class. But Luna needs the socialization badly. And if we want to do agility with her then we have to work around some things. So for Luna's benifit we will ask. If the answer is no then we will go with the flow and do what we do here at home because we know what works. Luna already knows the commands anyway that were in this weeks homework. Which is a plus for us.
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If you want to do agility you might want to limit corrections. I don't know of any agility trainer that uses corrections, not only are the unnecessary, they slow dogs down. Inhibited dogs and agility don't mix.
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Old 05-11-2011, 01:09 PM
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If you want to do agility you might want to limit corrections. I don't know of any agility trainer that uses corrections, not only are the unnecessary, they slow dogs down. Inhibited dogs and agility don't mix.
I was told this for Flyball training and found it actually depends on the dog. Sheena learned flyball faster with me using the corrections(for her they are mainly verbal with me saying Naughty in a stern voice) then doing it the way they suggested. The same with agility. She learned more quickly to actually touch the lower areas of the A frame and so on then without corrections. So it really depends on how you use corrections and also on the dog and handler.
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