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Old 10-19-2005, 04:12 AM
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Do you think breeders should stick to the breed standard, or completely ignore it because they dont like the standard? I recently spoke to a pit bull breeder who produces 90 pound pit bulls, eventhough the standard calls for 60 pound pits. Her dogs also have very bad conformation. I told her that she should take the standard into consideration, and she told me that she does not like the standard. She likes bigger "bullier" pits. Is this right? Isnt she ruining the breed?
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Old 10-19-2005, 07:03 AM
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I think that anyone who is breeding should not only follow the breed standards, but also make sure that they are making the breed better, be it temprament, drive, or whatever other traits the breed has. People who breed for looks or color or things like that usually ignore other issues like temprament. You need to look at the big picture.
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Old 10-19-2005, 08:03 AM
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Who decides if something is "bettering the breed"?

I know nothing about breeding but if a breeder decided they liked the dogs better heavier, and said that, I dont know that, they lived longer lives because they were bigger (im making this up as i go alone here), couldnt they say they were bettering the breed by making them heavier? What I mean is who decides that two dogs can be bred, its the breeder isnt it?

What Im saying is that if the breeder rottiegirl mentioned thinks that the breed is better being bigger, couldnt she say she's bettering the breed?

Im not saying it should be done or that I agree with it, im just trying to figure out who regulates it.

Who decides what is bettering the breed?
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Old 10-19-2005, 08:18 AM
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I don't think that breeding dogs outside of the standards that are adopted by the organizations that oversee th breed is bettering it. Breeding a dog to get a particular color, or weight, or height, and not worrying about something as important as temprament is irresponsible IMO. So now you have your perfect color or size, but the dogs are fear biters or not aggressive enough or too aggressive or any other number of personality issues. Is the breed better now?
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Old 10-19-2005, 08:33 AM
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[QUOTE=DanL]I don't think that breeding dogs outside of the standards that are adopted by the organizations that oversee th breed is bettering it. [QUOTE]

So is that who regulates what is "bettering the breed"? I dont know about breeding at all. If there are bodies stating what would be classed as bettering the breed, then no, they shouldnt breed outside of those rules, for a feature that the breeder liked, like eye colour or something.

This woman shouldnt breed her dogs just because she like "bigger bully breeds" she could be damaging them.
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Old 10-19-2005, 08:57 AM
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Yeah, I don't know about breeding either but I'm pretty sure that the clubs for each breed are who regulates the standard. I imagine most breed standards have been in place for a long time and are maybe modified from time to time.

I agree completely about the woman breeding the way large dogs as they could have other issues that could be detrimental to the breed.
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:34 AM
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Breed standards are set for a reason and should be follow as closely as possible with in reason. I would like heavy boned shepherds but I am not interested in giants either. I want them to be as close to the breed standard as possible, including temperment and size. I am looking for a high drive but that is normal for this breed too. I see no need to venture off on your own and ignore breed standards. I also believe that you need to better the breed and produce reliable dogs for the purpose in which you are breeding. I am breedign for working dogs so I am looking for dogs who can reliably work, otherwise it is not a good choice to breed with and should be spayed or neutered.
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:51 AM
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I think breeders should try to stay to the breed standard as closely as possible, no matter what. I can't remember where I read this, but it was an interesting point that has stuck with me. (forgive me if the quote isn't exact!)

"If you have a doberman who loves everybody, has no prey drive, doesn't bark, isn't at all suspicious of strangers or protective, and is a complete couch potato, then you have a good housepet. But you also have a bad doberman, according to the breed standard."

That's where I think people run into problems with the standard. Some breeders try to make the breed into something they personally would like, instead of sticking to what the breed should be. While I would love a couch-potato doberman, I agree that breeders should try to keep the intense, steady, temperament that the breed was developed for.
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Old 10-19-2005, 12:10 PM
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I think size is important - I hate it when I see 150 lb. labs. It bugs me sooo much, because they really aren't labs when they're that big - they're mixes. Labs aren't that big. If their four feet tall and over one hundred pounds, they simply aren't purebred labs.

But if I were breeding, say, border collies (my favorite breed ), I would breed them the right size but I'd breed them for what they were bred to do - herd. They weren't meant to be poofy, fluffy, dogs that want to sleep all day, hate walks, and have 0% herding ability.
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:34 PM
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Stick to the standard. IMO there is no excuse for breeding dogs to be different than the breed standard asks. NO breed standard will call for dogs to be built incorrectly for the work that they were originally supposed to do. It is the breeders and judges who mis-interpret those standards and buy into show-ring trends that leads to people messing up these breeds.
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