K9 European Protection Program

[Vega]

Ultimate Protection = Fila > Doberman, Shepherd, Rottweiler

[oriondw]

Originally Posted by Vega

Ultimate Protection = Fila > Doberman, Shepherd, Rottweiler

Obviously.

Yuck, if I remember right, police/working dogs in the states are retired at 10 years old. I think that's too old for breeding.

Way too old to breed with and I live in Canada. I have made arrangements with a few importers that I have been getting to know to get some retired dogs that are a bit younger. Got a really nice female here that is three years old. Retired due to injury that stops her from preforming up to snuff but has no effect on her breeding career. She is a great dog too! There is one here in Ontario that is 12 years old and still working on the street so of course that is not a dog for me.

[sheps4me]

Originally Posted by yuckaduck

Whatever gave you the idea that the only dogs I have for breeding are unregistered, unproven and rescue dogs. Non are unregistered, non will be bred until proven and the only rescue is HOPE and no discission is made on her so she is not even part of the equation, therefore non are rescue dogs. you know nothing of me at all and you know nothing of my dogs! That is why I am not willing to share every detail with you this is a public forum and I think business wise I am entitled to some privacy.

Here's what gave me the idea:

I got into an arguement on another forum about breeding HOPE. Well she will not be determined a breeding dog until she is tested temperment and health wise and then she will need to be trained and put in the field. If she cannot achieve that then she is a family pet and nothing more.

The fact that you are planning to test her health and temperament for potential breeding puts her into the equation. And yes, that is your business but you did put the information out there. People tend to be very passionate about their breed of choice and when we hear that someone is going to get into breeding, but doesn't plan to train and knows little about breeding and temperament testing, well, it tends to raise some concern. Since you take in rescue dogs, I'm sure you aware of the vast numbers of shepherds in shelters across North America. I would imagine that most of them started out as well-intentioned pups too!

Back to the topic, I trust Alex fully in his train of thought for thinking about Dobes not as the best protection dogs if you look at some of the bad breeders. I think it is just because of what he trains that he feels this way, we all have our breed of choice and we all have our breed of unchoice.

Personally I think the dobes are a very beautiful dog, and I would never think twice about crossing them, would never happen they were intentionally bred to be protective and I believe they are able to fulfill that to a point.

[AmberwayGSD]

The Doberman Lines I Bred were Solar Kennel Lines and also Moonthunders.I didnt have a kennel name.I only Bred One Litter that produced 4 Puppies.One Female is in a Companion Home.One Male is in A Show and Breeding Home.One Male is in A Companion Home.The Pick of The litter I kept but than he went out as a Police Service Dog.Another Breeder bought my female after the First litter.

Originally Posted by German Sheperd Gurl

The Doberman Lines I Bred were Solar Kennel Lines and also Moonthunders.I didnt have a kennel name.I only Bred One Litter that produced 4 Puppies.One Female is in a Companion Home.One Male is in A Show and Breeding Home.One Male is in A Companion Home.The Pick of The litter I kept but than he went out as a Police Service Dog.Another Breeder bought my female after the First litter.

Awesome dogs you had.

[AmberwayGSD]

My Bitch was out of Tornado from Solar Kennels.Very great breeder.I always recommend them.

[doberkim]

er --- without getting into it, shep4me i agree - even considering breeding a dog (even if it has a pedigree) that was a rescue -- wow, that just makes me lose respect for a person.

yuck - so what exactly IS the work you are breeding for - you repeatedly say they will have to do the work you breed for, but you have yet to indicate what actual work you are breeding them for. isnt breeding before you have trained, titled, and explored the breed further to its working potential a little "putting the cart before the horse" -- i would expect a breeder of true working dogs would understand and know how to work a dog first before they pump out a litter - its not an entry level position.


going further back - actually, i know someone that has many dogs from solar kennels, she has some awesome pups! however, not to argue points, but i think its funny yuck supports that dog, but solar dogs are purely show lines, arent they they have a litter right now out of sequoia, i think hes a VERY handsome dog and has a great head (i will admit, i am a head fanatic!)

the KNPV is the dutch police dog association - if you google it you can get some links, i am sure. its a very rigorous program and it takes a good dog to get through. im simply saying if you want a dog with the neverending drive and such of a mal (if youve never met a mal, its like taking a GSD and giving it methamphetamine in many ways ), then taking other dogs will never make you happy.

and again - i dont know why you would look at a bad breeder and use their dogs to prove that dobes cannot work. why use BAD breeders as an example? bad breeders are bad breeders for a REASON - for their failure to responsibly, ethically, produce dogs that better the breed.

[doberkim]

Originally Posted by German Sheperd Gurl

My Bitch was out of Tornado from Solar Kennels.Very great breeder.I always recommend them.

i just checked out tornado - shes an awesome looking girl!
do you have more pics of your dogs? what happened to your dobes? (sorry, new here!)

my guy is a rescue, but hopefully in the near future i have a pup coming my way ... this pup has a lot to live up to