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sharp in related to protection usually means more reactive, low thresholds and quick to aggress.
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My friend has a midget RR male that is about 50lbs and his frame is smaller than my 50lb GSD/Sibe mix girl, so he's got much heavier bone than her. They have about the same energy/drive actually.

He can go all day, but he does have an off switch unlike Mali's.
I'm talking hardcore running + frisbee or whatnot. And you'd better keep him on leash because he is a hound...

Be prepared to have a lapdog. I had him laying along my torso with his head on my shoulder and his big bro under my legs while I was reading on the couch once. Its so totally irresistable.

They are stubborn as *explitive deleted*.

He does not like other dogs all that much, but can live with them. He got along really well surprisingly with her daughter's RR/Lab mix boy. He currently lives with a pug and tolerates that nasty little dog trying to hump him (the pug needs lose his nuggets very badly....).

They will protect without even being trained for it. I've put basic OB training on this boy, but he's had nothing else besides that. Last summer I had to exercise him at night to avoid loose dogs while I was babysitting the RR boys. Some creeper tried to sneak up on us while the dog and I were playing tetherball... um lets just say he did a perfect untrained bark and hold, then returned to me on command.

I would LOVE to do Schutzhund with a RR. But they are very much not for everyone in a lot of the same ways Malinois are.
I have found RR to be really not hound like at all. All the ones I know, are VERY reliable offleash, not all "OMG FOOD" and great with small animals. Of course, it all depends on the individual dog.
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Old 04-10-2011, 06:43 PM
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I have found RR to be really not hound like at all. All the ones I know, are VERY reliable offleash, not all "OMG FOOD" and great with small animals. Of course, it all depends on the individual dog.
I have always found it odd that this breed be classified as a hound. The person who standardized the breed opted to not include them in the Hound group but they are now considered Hounds in most registries. They don't seem to fit in with scenthounds or sighthounds in temperament or appearance.

I'd be hesitant to have unsupervised interaction between large and toy dogs, regardless of the breed involved.
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Old 04-10-2011, 11:42 PM
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I have always found it odd that this breed be classified as a hound. The person who standardized the breed opted to not include them in the Hound group but they are now considered Hounds in most registries. They don't seem to fit in with scenthounds or sighthounds in temperament or appearance.

I'd be hesitant to have unsupervised interaction between large and toy dogs, regardless of the breed involved.
Agree with all of this. The one we grew up with (Radar) was just off leash in acres of farmland. He never wandered off the farm, he just decided his job was to follow us kids around and mediate disputes between the poultry. He never even bothered with the orchard workers in the apple orchard across the ditch. It's just as well because he probably would have been eaten by coyotes pretty quickly if he strayed. He acted more like a farmy cur dog than any hound I've ever owned.
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Old 04-11-2011, 02:30 AM
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Aw, I thought you were getting a colliedog!

I REALLY like the sound of the Africanis. They remind me of the street dogs here in Mexico, just super intelligent, sturdy and devoted.
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Old 04-11-2011, 09:46 AM
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Agree with all of this. The one we grew up with (Radar) was just off leash in acres of farmland. He never wandered off the farm, he just decided his job was to follow us kids around and mediate disputes between the poultry. He never even bothered with the orchard workers in the apple orchard across the ditch. It's just as well because he probably would have been eaten by coyotes pretty quickly if he strayed. He acted more like a farmy cur dog than any hound I've ever owned.
alot of this is definately true. They are so attached to their family they do not want to go anywhere. If i put henderson in the back yard and go inside he only wants back inside. if i am outside he wants outside.

They definately have some hound in them, both sight and scent. Sometimes he puts his nose to the ground and wont pay attention to anything (until he realizes he isnt near me) and sometimes things catch his eye and he wont look away, he will stand up on his back feet to see over tall grass to keep an eye on it. Unlike alot of hounds he doesnt like strangers at all(at the dog park everyone wants to pet him and he isnt interested at all)

About using them for any sort of protect, i know henderson could not do that. He is a self preserving animal. I do not expect him to protect me ever. He will be a deterent, but i do not expect him to put himself in danger for me. Thats not to say he wont ever do that or a special ridgeback might be fit for protection. I think physically they would be absolutely ideal for protection, they are big, STRONG, fast, agile and have a very strong bite, but mentally MOST of them could not cut it. they do not run head first at something dangerous, which is why they probably survived hunting lions, so i wouldnt recommend them for protection sports or work....
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Old 04-11-2011, 09:57 AM
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I would LOVE to do Schutzhund with a RR. But they are very much not for everyone in a lot of the same ways Malinois are.
I wouldnt say they are not for everyone like mals are. I think they would be a great dog for alot of people, probably better than alot of sporting dogs are for the average person. I mean if you think about it the energy level of the average lab does not fit with the energy level of the average american.....


they are content to lay around with their family. they do need exercise and love to run, but when they are inside they tend to relax all day long(as adults). are they stubborn? maybe, they think for themselves. they learn quick but get bored.

I guess my point is i dont think they are anywhere near the work, experience and insanity a mal would require. I love mals and hope i can resist getting one for the rest of my life!!!
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:36 PM
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You have to keep in mind that there are a lot of showline RR's out there... of course they couldn't cut it in work.

I dunno, thats just my experience. What do I know I just lived with a RR and RR mix for a couple years. *shrug*
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You have to keep in mind that there are a lot of showline RR's out there... of course they couldn't cut it in work.

I dunno, thats just my experience. What do I know I just lived with a RR and RR mix for a couple years. *shrug*
They weren't bred for protection. They were bred to hunt. They people who are working RR are hunting large game with them. My RR was from a breeder that hunts wild boar with them.

I am saying that I wouldn't suggest them for protection sports or use because I don't think MOST of them will take a command to take something it is scared of head on. They just aren't the kind of dog to take commands and not think them through.

Everything I've read on RR suggests they are mentally fit for this kind of work. I'm sure certain individuals could be.
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They weren't bred for protection. They were bred to hunt. They people who are working RR are hunting large game with them. My RR was from a breeder that hunts wild boar with them.

I am saying that I wouldn't suggest them for protection sports or use because I don't think MOST of them will take a command to take something it is scared of head on. They just aren't the kind of dog to take commands and not think them through.

Everything I've read on RR suggests they are mentally fit for this kind of work. I'm sure certain individuals could be.
While I don't know the breed you may have a great point here. The reason malinois excel so much at protection work and sport is the same problem I am having with mine currently. They were bred forever to just not think. They act on command or impulse and think later, sometimes. lol

And, yes, you can work thinkers in bite sport, they just don't excel as easily as malinuts.
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