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Old 03-22-2011, 12:39 PM
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I have never had a problem x-raying my girls the week before they are due. And I have had every litter x-rayed, for a total of 7 litters and I have whelped out and raised a couple of litters for other breeders that we also x-rayed.
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Old 03-22-2011, 03:52 PM
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Panting during whelping would be normal but panting at 38 days is odd. Does she have any other symptoms like a raised temperature or trembling? What method did your vet used to determine she was pregnant?
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Old 03-22-2011, 05:20 PM
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Panting during whelping would be normal but panting at 38 days is odd. Does she have any other symptoms like a raised temperature or trembling? What method did your vet used to determine she was pregnant?
an ultrasound was done at 30 days.....there are no other symptoms...normal temp...
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Old 03-22-2011, 11:23 PM
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Just a thought about the panting, she's a poodle/shih tzu mix right? Does she have the mushed snout like a pure bred shih tzu? Most of the folks who've replied on this thread don't have brachycephalic breeds, but maybe the panting is more common for pregnant females with mushed faces.
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:14 AM
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[snip] I really considered spaying during the pregnancy however, I couldn't bring myself to take the lives of the little unborn babies inside her as messed up as that may sound. I know how many dogs are out there without homes and hope that nobody thinks I am some crazy BYB. Once the puppies are weaned we will most likely spay.
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I'm not trying to flame you, so I hope you don't take this as such - just a constructive criticism.

The last two sentences do not belong together. As of now, you are a breeder, whether you intended to be or not. I hope you make the most of it and do the right thing, and the right thing is obviously not to let her or her puppies be bred again. You can probably contact some rescues near you for help in funding their spays/neuters, or you can charge a refundable adoption fee on the females - several hundred dollars that will be refunded all or in part once they spay the puppies. The males, TMK can have pediatric spay/neuters. But talking to your vet and possibly a small dog rescue will give you answers on that. They often sometimes do courtesy listings as well, which will help them find new homes.

She needs to be spayed so that this doesn't happen again - a 20 month old small breed is well past the age where she could have been safely spayed, and she definitely can now. If they do a C-section for some reason, you can get her spayed then.
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Old 03-23-2011, 07:40 AM
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After posting I did realize that it does sound very irresponsible HOWEVER there is a reason she is NOT already spayed, please don't think I am trying to make any excuses, we got our dog when she was 6 months and during her first heat, we have one other dog who is a neutered male, (we also have a cat who is spayed) so it is not as if we dont believe in spaying and neutering our pets, that is def not the case here. Anyway, we didn't think we had anything to worry about with her becoming pregnant and so we have not been in a rush to spay her, she is utd on all her vaccines and our vet didn't push for the spay (she is a great vet so please don't think she told us to breed) I must sound like a broken record but really it was a complete accident, we will have her spayed as soon as the pups are weaned, my spouse and I have discussed it and we will be speaking with our vet about it on friday when we go in.

I have potential homes for 3 puppies as it stands and they are all people we know. So I am confident the pups will be well cared for and properly vaccinated and de sexed.

We have a low cost spay/neuter clinic where I live and I will contact them in regards to the desexing of the pups. I do know that our local SPCA will spay/neuter at 8 weeks of age but I wasnt sure how safe that was so I have not yet looked into it.

Thank you for your help, I take no offence to your comments what so ever, I appreciate your concern for the animals and am glad you are honest.

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Old 03-23-2011, 07:46 AM
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Just a thought about the panting, she's a poodle/shih tzu mix right? Does she have the mushed snout like a pure bred shih tzu? Most of the folks who've replied on this thread don't have brachycephalic breeds, but maybe the panting is more common for pregnant females with mushed faces.
her snout is a bit longer than the shih tzu If I can figure out how I will post a picture of her so you can see what I mean.

The panting is not a normal thing for her except of course in the summer time


I figured out how to get the picture onto here for you to see her hopefully it works.



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Old 03-23-2011, 07:55 AM
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Another suggestion is that you might want to put it in a contract that if the future homes at any time can not care for the puppies, they go back to you or to a home you approve. That way you'll know they won't end up in a shelter. And even if you know the future homes, put spay/neuter in a contract, too...just in case the people turn out to think their puppy is just SO PERFECT they should breed it, which happens very often, even with people who "know better".

It does sound like you're trying to do the most responsible thing here, and I wish you the best of luck with momma and her pups.
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Old 03-23-2011, 08:06 AM
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Thank you for the ideas, I will create a contract for the potential homes. I have found this site extreemly helpful. Thank you to everyone.I will keep posting about my Ella and her progress, and her pups when the come, we have an expected whelping date of April 18th.
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Old 03-23-2011, 09:47 AM
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Hope everything goes well! Looking forward to pics.

Just a comment. Please don't advertise them to homes as 'shihpoo' crosses. Please don't feed into the designer mutt fad. No reputable people sell shihpoos, or schnoodles. Sometimes rescues will use those terms to try to get more homes, but really they are crosses. There is no such 'thing' as a 'shihpoo' there might be a general type of dog that falls into that broad category.... but there is no consistency of type or temperament like there are in breeds. Its not that I think crossing dogs is bad (done correctly I am all for it) its that its marketing a dog in such a away as to be deceitful.
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