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Old 01-21-2011, 05:21 PM
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As far as the working thing, when I get a BC I'll be buying a dog from a working breeder. Not a breeder who does trials, because to me, that's sport, not work. A dog that can work day after day herding stock over hard terrain, keeping track of way more sheep than you'll find in a trial, is much more impressive to me than a dog who has 43658755685 herding titles.
It really differs between breeds. I don't want my BC's ancestors to ever have stepped foot into a show ring, but when I get a chi, I want the dogs to be proven in the ring, or at least evaluated by a judge. I'd also love to see agility, obedience, therapy, flyball, or dogs with their CGC. It's not a *necessity* but I'd like to see something extra, that they're out there with their dogs.
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Old 01-21-2011, 11:01 PM
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- Does something with their dogs (can be showing, agility, etc..) i just want to see a breeder that gets out there are is WITH their dogs doing something. That is proud of what they are producing and wants to see them perform at something
I think that they ought to be out there titling their dogs, not just "doing something".
I understand the show vs. working dog but if you're not going to show, then WORK and EARN stuff. Not just "doing something" but excelling at something - or don't breed them. Period.
There's billions of run-of-the-mill breeders out there, it takes a lot more than just "doing something" with your dog to be a great breeder and stand out from the crowd.

There's tons more to responsible breeding than having a dog with sex parts.
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Old 01-22-2011, 01:09 AM
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I think that they ought to be out there titling their dogs, not just "doing something".
I understand the show vs. working dog but if you're not going to show, then WORK and EARN stuff. Not just "doing something" but excelling at something - or don't breed them. Period.
There's billions of run-of-the-mill breeders out there, it takes a lot more than just "doing something" with your dog to be a great breeder and stand out from the crowd.

There's tons more to responsible breeding than having a dog with sex parts.
I don't know... To me, a dog that can prance around a confo ring and look pretty doesn't mean anything. It doesn't make me more impressed, and it doesn't turn me off either. It's just another "something" that the breeder does with their dogs. Same with other activities too. I don't care if their dogs are GOOD at agility (unless I'm looking for an agility dog)... I'm just happy to see breeders actively engaged with their dogs. I don't think a dog with a bunch of abbreviations tacked on to their name is any more impressive than the dog that makes visits to hospitals and sits with elderly people. In fact, I am more impressed by the latter because I feel that says more about the personality of the dog. And if I'm just looking for a companion, a good personality is all I need (and health).

At the end of the day: If I like everything else about the breeder, I am not going to cross them off my list just because their dogs are not titled.
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Old 01-22-2011, 01:24 AM
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There are a couple of dogs I highly admire and covet their bloodlines who don't have a single title to their name. Not every dog has to be heavily titled to be proved breed worthy, but that's a distinction that requires a more intimate knowledge of that specific breed and those particular lines than most people care to acquire.
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Old 01-22-2011, 01:39 AM
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Part of it may be that I really dont' see myself buying 'just a pet' now or for a long, long time to come but I would personally want titles or a dog that is proven (titles and proven are two different things fwiw). In what depends highly on the breed.

I would not buy a papillon without knowing there were good performance dogs in the lines. Maybe not directly back but I want to see that there are nice ones coming from the lines consistently. There is a distinct style of dog that I want and not everyone is producing them. A lot of paps I meet are too mellow and driveless for what I need. And I really think it's a shame. The drive and brainpower is what to me sets them apart from a lot of other companion breeds and why they're such great sports dogs. I feel that a big part of what makes a papillon a fun dog to own would be missing and I wouldn't want that. I would also not buy a papillon whose breeder didn't show. I know, you can have a companion papillon that is way out of standard, but I just really prefer them to standard (not all show breeders breed dogs I like looks wise but many do, most non-show breeders do not). That doesn't mean I wouldn't adopt a BYB/milled papillon that is way outside of standard, I definitely am planning on at least one oversized rescue papillon. But I wouldn't buy one from a breeder.

Of course any future dogs will be involved in performance most likely.
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Personally I think its wrong to breed for just a pet litter. Regardless of how good the two dogs you breed together (working, show, ect..) there will be pet quality puppies in the litter.

Personally I think there are enough shelter dogs in need of homes. There is no need for a breeder to be producing only pets. If you dont want a rescue go to a breeder and request a pet puppy from a litter.

I also believe that a breeder should be titling their dogs in their chosen venue. In MOST cases. I would not think a breeder was bad if they used their dogs daily (working on the farm BCs, police dogs, ect..), as long as they utilize relevant health testing.
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Old 01-22-2011, 08:59 PM
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4. They take their dogs to the vet and don't "doctor" on them

Just had to point that out. Define "doctoring"

Personally I have done alot of stitching on my own dogs. Will do tails and dew claws. Does this count as doctoring?

Yes I will take them to the vet if needed. But I will not shell out the ridiculous prices vets charge for simple things I can take care of myself.
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What do you guys think of say, toy breeds, then, whose primary purpose is to be pets? Is it okay to breed proven healthy dogs if the parents have no titles or accomplishments besides being good family pets? Laur made a good point about Papillons, who are without a doubt the most "sporty" dogs in the toy group, but what about the rest of the group and all of those breeds? Shih tzus? Chihuahuas? Pugs?

I know it's way different in working breeds, but I wonder about the little guys and the purely companion breeds.
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RD - IMHO I feal, that no. If you have a toy dog you need to do something with it. Agility, Obediance, Rally, Conformation, ect... There is alot you can do with a toy. You need to prove that your dog has something good to add, not just being a good family pet.
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Old 01-23-2011, 04:07 PM
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What do you guys think of say, toy breeds, then, whose primary purpose is to be pets? Is it okay to breed proven healthy dogs if the parents have no titles or accomplishments besides being good family pets? Laur made a good point about Papillons, who are without a doubt the most "sporty" dogs in the toy group, but what about the rest of the group and all of those breeds? Shih tzus? Chihuahuas? Pugs?

I know it's way different in working breeds, but I wonder about the little guys and the purely companion breeds.
I like to see obedience, Therapy dog work (which many toy dogs are great at), or SOMETHING.
For toy dogs, (chihuahuas especially) I needed SOMETHING to show me that the dogs were of sound temperament other than "oh she is really sweet"

All those crazy, biting, growling little dogs on the dog whisperer.. what do their owners ALWAYS SAY about them..
"She is really sweet"
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