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Old 01-18-2011, 02:06 PM
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I have nothing against non pure dogs as, until I got Rottweilers, ALL my dogs were mutts! I was just questioning the validity of this "new" breed
People want it, and when its done right a lab poodle mix (I hate the name labradoodle, if you are going to make up a new breed, then make up a new name. All the breeds that derived from other breeds have real names) is a really nice dog, and an ideal pet. I would much rather people make a new breed to fill a niche than change an existing breed to suit. Ie I am very against the 'dumbing down' of breeds like JRTs and BCs just so John Q Public can own one.

That said, the OP should at least list her bitch's attributes. I can understand coming to a forum good dogs of this kind are very hard to find. We have many people here competing in various dog sports etc. But if someone came on here looking for a JRT stud.. The first things I want to know about are the bitch, not the colour the OP wants. (why care about colour?)

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"Hi I am looking for a mature male labradoodle. Must have all relevant health checks (hips and eyes minimum). Proof will be required. Health testing records from ancestors a plus. The stud dog I am looking for has a CGC/CGN at minimum. I would prefer if this dog had titles in various dog sports, and or was a working therapy dog. I need proof that this dog has an exemplary temperament, as I plan to offer money back guarantees on my puppies, and need to be able to stand behind what I produce.

If all those things can be met I would be most interested in Caramel, Parti, or Phantom colour Labradoodles.

If you contact me I will be happy to provide you with my bitch's health certifications and titles. I want you to be confident, as the stud owner, that I am not going to be producing more BYB labradoodles, but quality dogs. I would also be happy to discuss my short and long term breeding plans and how I plan on improving me line.

Thanks in advance "
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:09 PM
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Why has it become a common place to breed dogs that are not recognized by any kennel union? These are "designer" dogs, not quite pedigree dogs are they?

EDIT: It's a question not a statement
Just FYI being recognized by a kennel/having a standard is definitely not the be all end all. I have no issues with dogs being bred to fill a need in the least whether they be 'purebreds' 'mutts' or not recognized by any Kennel as long as it's for a purpose.

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But standards don't mean a whole lot to me. Why should I care about the amount of white on a dog, or the way it holds its tail, or whatever other things do not affect its ability to run and jump and play with my family? If someone wants to breed a healthy, sound, temperament tested lab to a healthy, sound, temperament tested poodle in order to accomplish something that neither the lab or the poodle has on its own, I don't really see an issue. (Although I highly doubt that's what the OP is doing)


Koolies have no written standard in the least and I cringe at the thought of there being one or them getting recognized by any kennel. Their looks vary depending on what is needed for the terrain, weather and livestock they are working.

But, I digress, if the breeding of two dogs is being done responsibly with a
good (subjective I know) and purpose in mind I see nothing wrong with that.
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:13 PM
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I have nothing against non pure dogs as, until I got Rottweilers, ALL my dogs were mutts! I was just questioning the validity of this "new" breed
There are two categories of dog lumped under the labradoodle name.

The first group of dogs are poodle/lab mixes. They can be first generation mixes, or multi gen, and have varying degrees of either breed in the mix. These dogs are pretty much a crapshoot as far as health, temperament, and conformation goes. They are generally bred for a profit, vs. toward a standard with specific goals in mind for the puppies.

The second group does have a breed club with written standards and strict health testing requirements. Their dogs are overall much more consistent,, though since it's such a new breed and had such a wide pool of foundation stock it's going to take time to fix certain traits. I don't think the coat type being not fixed is a big deal at all. Wirehaired pointing griffons have existed for over 400 years and breeders still don't understand how coat types are inherited. You can breed two griffs with correct coats and get every single type of coat in the resulting litter. It's maddening! Personally I admire how serious those folks are with their breeding program and keeping health problems out of their lines.

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LilyxPoo, if you go to the club link I put up, they have a stud dog listing that shows pictures of the studs along with all the health tests they have taken and the results, what titles they have earned, coat type, etc. You might contact some of the folks from the club if you're not a member to learn more about the standards, since most folks who invest that much in their stud dogs expect the owners of the bitches to have done the same health tests and things.
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I can understand coming to a forum good dogs of this kind are very hard to find. We have many people here competing in various dog sports etc. But if someone came on here looking for a JRT stud.. The first things I want to know about are the bitch, not the colour the OP wants. (why care about colour?)
I tend to think that someone who is looking to breed should have RL contacts within that breed. Maybe not personally even, but at least know someone who knows someone who knows someone kind of network, and if nothing else the breeder that sold the bitch to you should be able to help find a stud much better than a forum of strangers.
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:32 PM
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Oh possibly. But I wouldn't fault them for seeing what they could find on a forum.

I mean come on.. we ARE awesome lol!

I would fault them if they are breeding a non health tested bitch, and are selling puppies to whom ever has money for cute coloured fluffy puppies with no health/temperament guarantees.
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:51 PM
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But standards don't mean a whole lot to me. Why should I care about the amount of white on a dog, or the way it holds its tail, or whatever other things do not affect its ability to run and jump and play with my family?
You will notice I have a completely out of standard Rottweiler (Bella), so to be honest standard doesn't have a whole lot to do with how great a dog is, however in preserving a specific breed I believe it is important. For example if tigers and lions were freely bred to create the liger without control the original tiger and lion may both become extinct. Evolution is a part of life, however when breeding certain dogs one has to be very careful about the line they tread.

@Linds, I have no problem with people who rescue mutts, but I do have a problem when people breed their mutts for a profit and claiming it is a designer dog. As I said in a previous post all of my dogs except my Rotties were mutts. Real mutts in the true sense of it. However I should also mention these mutts were mostly found close to death on the side of the road, thin and flea infested. Others were initially bred to "fill a void" but there was no demand and therefore they became unwanted. There was also one who was purchased for her "designer" name and then tossed because although her breed was a "designer" breed, she just didn't look all that designer at all, she looked like, well, a mutt. Not to mention the vet fees that went into caring for that same mutt who ended up with eye problems and eventually went blind because of inherited conditions. (She was some sort of maltese/yorkshire mix or such and they called her a "malterrier")

The above mentioned is why I said REGARDLESS of what you are breeding, mutt or pure breed. The MOST important thing to do after testing health and temprement etc. is finding the RIGHT owner. NOT and owner who is just in it for the "aww cute puppy" stage and forks out the amount you ask without a second thought!

To the OP I would like you to consider the following: Has your dog been tested for hereditry diseases? Are they healthy enough to carry a litter? Does she have any titles at all? What makes your dog worth breeding? Do you have a list of people wanting puppies like yours and have you thouroughly researched all of their intentions and personality types and know what kind of dog may match their lifestyle?
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Koolies have no written standard in the least and I cringe at the thought of there being one or them getting recognized by any kennel. Their looks vary depending on what is needed for the terrain, weather and livestock they are working.
This is how I felt when KUSA registered Border Collies. My blood still runs cold when I see them in the show ring. It angers me beyond belief.

I honestly do feel that your dog needs to be something exemplary in order to be bred.
A great worker
A great sport dog
A great conformation dog.

What would be fantastic is if they were at least two of the three.

I am starting Riley in agility so that she can be a title CH and a active sport dog under her belt before she is bred.

Travis is too soft for sports but he is a CH of a very high standard and his temperament is to die for. He is going to soften some of Rileys insane drive (I hope) and would make the dogs more suited for an every day home.
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Hey, I totally found one for you, OP:

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t127241/

I think he could be described as "parti" color.
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This is how I felt when KUSA registered Border Collies. My blood still runs cold when I see them in the show ring. It angers me beyond belief.
In the KUSA magazine I read through this December, I read that the border collie was still on the "development" list as far as conformation goes? I may be mistaken but I am almost 100% sure that is what I read? WTF are they trying to "develope"? The BC is already perfectly suited to the job it does. If the change it up to make it look good I am afraid that they might alter the dogs workability.

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In the KUSA magazine I read through this December, I read that the border collie was still on the "development" list as far as conformation goes? I may be mistaken but I am almost 100% sure that is what I read? WTF are they trying to "develope"? The BC is already perfectly suited to the job it does. If the change it up to make it look good I am afraid that they might alter the dogs workability.

EDIT: SO sorry for derailing the thread
No idea what that means. But I see them in show rings all the time. Passive, flat dogs. It worries me!
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