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Old 09-30-2010, 10:09 AM
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Nyx will get fat quickly if she misses a couple days of insane running/zooming. Our normal training just doesn't burn off enough weight for her.

An obese dog is not the same as an overweight dog, and the OP stated that he's overweight. And overweight Belgian is uncommon, but not impossible and doesn't necessarily mean there's anything going on that should make him not be breeding quality.

Without seeing the dogs and without knowing why he's overweight, I gotta agree with Kat.
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Well, it is a Belgian for one. Shouldn't they be HIGH drive? I know that an overweight Pap would freak me out totally, knowing how mine are like crackheads on speed. I couldn't get mine fat if I tried.
You should meet Beau... he goes constantly like a crackhead on speed. In fact, he's constantly moving and... unfortunately constantly eating. Wouldn't be a big deal except my dad free feeds. As a result, he's gotten a little tubby. FAR from obese but he's still imo overweight. Mia also seems to gain weight just by looking at food although she is by far the highest energy papillon I have ever met. She has to be on a very strict feeding schedule to keep her weight down. She's been on a bit of a diet lately but is just now getting back to my ideal for her. Her mother is the same way- she gets fat very easy. Her father is more like Nard where you're struggling to put weight on him. Nard is 2 1/2 and still boney with little tone to him and his hip bones stick out no matter what we do.

So for me... I agree with CP and Kat. It would depend a lot on the individual dog and why he was overweight.
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Old 09-30-2010, 10:01 PM
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Well, it is a Belgian for one. Shouldn't they be HIGH drive?
It's a Belgian Shepherd, not a Malinois. They aren't anywhere near as high drive for the most part.

I'd be concerned, but things happen. My mom has a lovely male who is not in the best physical condition (a little pudgy) because she lives in an apartment.
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Thanks for the more in-depth explanation!
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I just figured the way most people were saying "Belgian" that they were thinking Mals.
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I know she didn't mean Mal. I still think of them as high drive dogs though.
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Hi everyone,

Jake does not have a health problem, nor is his owner his breeder. Jake is a Canadian champion; He has his hips and elbows tested. I have tested his thyroid, there is nothing wrong with it. Jake is almost ten years old. He is confined while his owners are at work until evening, and is free-fed Ol' Roy and Pedigree (which he takes great advantage of). He does not go for walks; Just goes to the dog park once or twice a week. Of course he is overweight. I used to dogsit him years ago, for weeks at a time. He would consistently lose 3 lbs a week when I had him, simply from raw feeding and plenty of exercise. He is healthy and capable of losing weight.

To me, a dog that has been living with such lack of exercise and poor nutrition, that is now nearly ten years old, so overweight, yet still has good hips/elbows, a good thyroid, can jump a 5 foot fence with ease, has absolutely no temeprament issues with people OR dogs even with his lack of socialisation, and has shown no signs of any allergies despite his crappy food.. To me, that is one DARN healthy dog, and I am proud to have him be the sire of my litter. I also can't get over how amazing his shoulders are for his weight all these years. This is a linebreeding that I have been wanting to do for a VERY long time. I know this pedigree very well -- it is a perfect match for my female, and the linebreeding is on some very very rare old lines. One of my goals in breeding is to improve the size of our gene pool. This is why I like using some of the oldest rarest lines I can find. I was originally planning to do the linebreeding with a different dog, but it didn't pan out. Still, I have considered this breeding for years... Weighing the pros and cons.. And it will be excellent. I have had the priveledge of knowing some of Jake's past offspring, littermates, his dam, and several half siblings. These are excellent dogs.
My kennel name is linked to nothing; Jake is a retired show dog in a pet home. They are doing this as a favor to me for dogsitting him all those years. Nobody in the show world has met Jake in nearly 9 years. He finished at 18 months of age.



As an update to my litter... Turns out Jake was making a liar out of me. On the last day, he naturally bred, RIGHT AFTER I AI'ed them. Darn dog. He would have had little, if any, semen left in his system after the AI. Hopefully he just helped push the little "sea men" to their destinations.... For once, Visa is growing a belly early on. I am hoping this means she will have a normal-sized litter. She is also digging a den, which she only does when she is pregnant. We're going to the vet tomorrow to confirm the pregnancy and get an idea of how many to expect. I am very excited!

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Jake at 6.5 years

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Old 10-24-2010, 05:42 PM
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Here are two recent show photos of momma Visa -- who has only gotten pudgy once in her life, and I basked in the glory of her pudginess, because it is will probably never happen again. Darn dog is nearly impossible to keep weight on.




And a couple shots at home..

Hairless Visa..

Hairy Visa... lol
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Old 10-24-2010, 05:50 PM
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The only time I've had girls miss is when I sent them to outside studs and the stud owner refuses to listen to me, about when to breed them -- my girls breed late, most people think its TO late to just start breeding.... but not for my girls...
Visa usually breeds late too! Last litter she bred from days 18-26. This time she started standing earlier; I think it was day 14. She has never wanted to breed this early before. Honestly I think they didn't tie before because Jake knew it wasn't her time yet. Funny thing is, I sat him for a few days while she was in heat, until the day before she was standing. He was not interested in her in the least. Yet, he tied with her THE DAY she was due to ovulate. Interesting; I guess the old man knows a thing or two.
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