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Old 08-26-2010, 05:51 PM
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I simply teach heel. When my hand goes into heel position so does the dog

I used to teach it by taking a step back with my left leg and cueing heel. But no I just simply teach heel thoroughly and as a location vs an action and it saves so much trouble. (ie lateral and pivot movements)

Teaching a swing finish isn't nessisary if your dog *knows* heel is what I am saying.

Though as someone who has done obed and does do rally (will get back to obed when my dogs are too old and stiff for agility lol) I would suggest you teach the basics thoroughly before you get into 'fancy' stuff. If you ever want to compete it helps, and it saves you teaching a lot of stuff you don't need to as it will come when the basics are done.

And I do have cues for dogs to work both sides of me, and in front. But I have no need of a right swing at this point, figure it is not worth the potential mis cues in other sports.
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Old 08-26-2010, 06:16 PM
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I simply teach heel. When my hand goes into heel position so does the dog

I used to teach it by taking a step back with my left leg and cueing heel. But no I just simply teach heel thoroughly and as a location vs an action and it saves so much trouble. (ie lateral and pivot movements)

Teaching a swing finish isn't nessisary if your dog *knows* heel is what I am saying.
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I get that, I really do and agree that I want Heel to be a location but how does that that work for a finish if you have multiple ways to finish? Such as around and swing or whatever else I decide to do to get them in that spot? How do they know when I say heel if I want an around or a swing?

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Though as someone who has done obed and does do rally (will get back to obed when my dogs are too old and stiff for agility lol) I would suggest you teach the basics thoroughly before you get into 'fancy' stuff. If you ever want to compete it helps, and it saves you teaching a lot of stuff you don't need to as it will come when the basics are done.
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I get this, and I wasn't going to be teaching it in the next few days, I'm still working on the bascis but wanted to get an idea of how to start it when I'm ready, or like corgipower said- work on pivots

A lot of this is for fun and to keep his mind going
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Old 08-26-2010, 06:59 PM
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I have swing finish, which is just a 'heel' cue. And an around, which is a twitch of a finger on my right hand.

I don't need to teach pivots, as they are part of heel... Once my dog will heel backwards super tight sexy left pivots just happen.

My philosophy is to keep it as easy as possible. I get so many people (when I was competing) asking me how many hours we trained. I was like a couple of min a day....
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Old 08-26-2010, 08:34 PM
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i used (and will continue to use) a simple lure and reward +/- clicker for finishes, and then shrink the hand motion as the dog understands.
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Old 08-27-2010, 06:19 AM
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Okay, maybe I can reply to this now that I don't feel like total crap.

The way I taught Enzo was luring, and rewarding when she was in the correct position. I'm still working on heeling backwards and the "pivot" type of left finish, but she will left finish by making a rather tight circle back into heel from the left. The cue for that is "get in" and the cue for the right finish is "around". Conversely, the cue for the left about, is just "about", not that that has anything to do with it, but she understands the individual cues, even though two of them sound similar.

Anyway, I lured her into the finish, since she already knows to come to front, and just made the circles she comes into smaller and small. I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong at first, but once I switched to a different cue (I was telling her to heel. She didn't/probably still doesn't view heel as a position, but rather as a position when we're in motion)

In this case, the cue for the left finish is "get in". Once I changed the cue, she learned it rapidly. She's 100% reliable in most situation's with the get in cue, and as a bonus, understands get in as a position, and will "get in" tighter to me if I say get in while we're either stationary or in motion. I know I should have a different cue for that, but if it works, why knock it.


Wait until you start trying the left about I was terrified of it, but Enzo was like "pssht, this is it!? easy peasy!" and so I really didn't have as much trouble as I'd anticipated with it.

Rally is a ton of fun, and I wish I'd started earlier with Enzo!
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Pivot boxes/pedestals are wonderful.
About 2:25 is Chuckles pivoting. (The whole video is adorable though.)
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I wanted to say thank you to everyone who took the time to write out how they did it and I'm absorbing everything!

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I have swing finish, which is just a 'heel' cue. And an around, which is a twitch of a finger on my right hand.

I don't need to teach pivots, as they are part of heel... Once my dog will heel backwards super tight sexy left pivots just happen.

My philosophy is to keep it as easy as possible. I get so many people (when I was competing) asking me how many hours we trained. I was like a couple of min a day....
Ok, then let me ask you this-how did you go about really hammering in that heel is a location?

And what's your favorite way to teach backwards heel? I've started that and he's getting is slowly but it's still awkward

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Pivot boxes/pedestals are wonderful.
About 2:25 is Chuckles pivoting. (The whole video is adorable though.)
YouTube - Chuck's 1st Week
That's actually what I've been doing with him and how I was and still kinda am considering teaching it. And yes, the entire video is full of adorable
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Old 08-27-2010, 04:09 PM
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When the dog is heeling well for simple things, moderate pace, no tight corners then I start to mix it up.

So I try to 'gently' loose the dog. I might try a change of pace, or a sharper turn. If the dog stays with me, or makes an effort too, click big treat, act like its A VERY BIG DEAL and go back to playing easy.

As the dog gets better I will get sneaker to try to loose the dog. Maybe take a step sideways. Always a big reward for sticking to my left leg like glue.

For backwards I usually will halt, take a half step (not far enough the dog would want to spin, just far enough for the dog to go 'oh oh not in heel') backwards and wait. Usually the dog will scoot back with a big grin on her face- the 'ha ha didn't loose me' look. Now I usually drop my shoulder back and down a bit before I move back or pivot left, as it becomes a signal that reverse is in order. This helps when you want to start doing tight left pivots. The dog knows to get ready to back around you when you drop your left shoulder back a bit...
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