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Old 08-03-2010, 10:22 PM
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Make sense? If not I can explain in more detail.
Please do? You teach them to back up while the teeter's going down? How do you then backchain that?
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Laur, I am a little confused, you have running contacts for the teeter? I wouldn't advise that, nor do I like 2o2o for the teeter as it often can bounce and hit a smaller dog in the belly. Therefore I teach a rock back, ride it down and a stopped contact for the teeter. For the DW, I like a stopped contact or 2o2o, mainly because of our Gamblers class in AAC where it is common to flip the dog in a 180 away from the handler to another obstacle and because it can be hard to beat a dog to the end of the DW.
So my dogs and students dogs, learn ..............
DW = Stopped
Teeter= Ride it down, stopped.
Frame = Running, and/or a very fast 2o2o.

As for her being confused, give it time, they can be retrained to change the contact criteria, but make sure you change the name of it.
K that makes sense. It seems as she's gaining confidence her speed is increasing and I'm pretty sure there's going to be a point where I'm going to end up in a situation like you mentioned with the dogwalk where she's reaching the end before me. She's not super fast but she's still faster than me.

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Backchain the teeter and teach her how to back up (on the flat first) which is how get them to rock back and tip it down. Make sense? If not I can explain in more detail.
Can you explain a bit more? I'm working her on a flat board at the moment.
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Old 08-03-2010, 10:51 PM
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Ok, this is hard to explain but I'll give it a go lol.

First off, no you don't teach them to back up the teeter. You teach them to back up on the flat, good place is between a sofa and a coffee table or other object where they can't turn around. Teaches them hind end awareness and how to rock back onto their hind end.

For backchaining the teeter, you prop up the down end so the Up end is on the ground. Have the dog get on it and do your contact criteria, which of course has already been train with a target and a plank or contact board.
Make sure you don't forget your release word before allowing them to leave the contact zone.
When they are on the teeter in the contact zone, put your foot under it and move it up and down a couple of inches. The goal is to get the dog to get on further and further up the teeter from the side and moving down to the contact zone, bounce it, release. Also work on lateral distance and moving ahead of them with them remaining in the zone until released.
Then we add a pause table on the side of the teeter, so the dogs can easily get on closer to the middle. We also change the angle of the teeter by changing how it is propped up. By raise the end off the ground and increasing how much they have to bring it down. By the time the dog is getting on the side at the pivot point, the teeter should be almost level, so the dog learns to bring it down. At this point we ask them to back up 1 step, to teach them that they control it at the pivot point.
You just keep moving the pause table back towards the start of the teeter and the angle of the teeter progresses to being in the normal teeter position.

Another method is to put the pause table under the teeter at either end, so the drop isn't so far.

Also by the time you have backchained the teeter, you have done your contact criteria countless times.

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Old 08-03-2010, 10:53 PM
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Kiba is trained to run up and stop a little more than halfway (she stops when it starts to tip) and then continues on when it's dropped.
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Yeah, that's kinda what I had pictured, I just never thought of using a backup to teach them to control the pivot point. Interesting!
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Teeny has running contacts, though her basics were in 2o2o (we went to different training facilities for her basics vs. when we actually started running). I was told that I would have problems with the running contacts since Teeny is so big (she's only 62 pounds, poor girl LOL) and so fast. Thus far (fingers crossed) it has not proven to be an issue. If she flies off of something (which I think I can count on one hand the number of times that has ever happened) she gets a negative marker and we go back to the beginning of the sequence.

As far as the teeter, I literally taught Teeny nothing new. She already knew that the "wait" command means "stop walking towards me goddamnit!" So I give her the "wait" and she hangs out until it bangs and I say "okay" (which is her release) and we keep on hustling.

Teeny is WAY faster than me. WAY faster. And though we're still working on our distance handling, she has enough OB on her that she listens to my commands and I can quickly pull or push her in different directions if necessary. We're getting ready to start on our distance handling once we're done with PSA regionals in Sept. I can't wait!
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