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Old 07-25-2010, 09:09 AM
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you can see the list of mods on each area of the forum. As I said--no need to delete the account--you have gotten some good input here and I hoped you would perhaps want to contribute to the forum.

I was hoping everyone would be more aware of how they post--no need to continue to drag up the same info in post after post.
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Old 07-25-2010, 10:45 AM
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Robbie,

I apologize for calling you rotten things. I get a little fired up sometimes. I perceived your later posts as flippant and ungrateful. I was, in my first post genuinely trying to help by suggesting you skim through a few links to get the general idea behind some effective training concepts. Then after you would (theoretically) read some of that, I was planning on giving you some specifics for this situation. That way, you'd be able to apply the concepts more easily than simply telling you some method that you might not understand the why's and wherefores. It's like learning anything. Learning by rote is not very complete learning.

When one comes on a forum, asking for advice, one does not have the luxury of dictating to others just exactly how or what kind of advice is going to be delivered. People don't usually come on the forum, demanding of others to say exactly what you want to hear. When you ask for advice or even if you're just posting anything, people post their opinions. That's what a forum is...it's the intrinsic nature of a forum.

When you began griping about what advice I was giving you, and being what I perceived to be flippant, sarcastic remarks, I reacted with shock and disbelief at how someone, new to the forum, or even not new, could act that way.

I do apologize for my part in perpetuating the jabs and I hope you can get over it and hopefully stay and learn some things about training and just plain joining in. I can get past it if you can.
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Old 07-25-2010, 10:51 AM
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Robbie,

I apologize for calling you rotten things. I get a little fired up sometimes. I perceived your later posts as flippant and ungrateful. I was, in my first post genuinely trying to help by suggesting you skim through a few links to get the general idea behind some effective training concepts. Then after you would (theoretically) read some of that, I was planning on giving you some specifics for this situation. That way, you'd be able to apply the concepts more easily than simply telling you some method that you might not understand the why's and wherefores. It's like learning anything. Learning by rote is not very complete learning.

When one comes on a forum, asking for advice, one does not have the luxury of dictating to others just exactly how or what kind of advice is going to be delivered. People don't usually come on the forum, demanding of others to say exactly what you want to hear. When you ask for advice or even if you're just posting anything, people post their opinions. That's what a forum is...it's the intrinsic nature of a forum.

When you began griping about what advice I was giving you, and being what I perceived to be flippant, sarcastic remarks, I reacted with shock and disbelief at how someone, new to the forum, or even not new, could act that way.

I do apologize for my part in perpetuating the jabs and I hope you can get over it and hopefully stay and learn some things about training and just plain joining in. I can get past it if you can.

Quoting this so he can see it since dober is on his ignore list.
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Old 07-25-2010, 11:49 AM
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Thank you Izzy.
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Old 07-30-2010, 07:13 PM
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Robbie - I hope you're still around to see this, unfortunately I just came upon this thread today and couldn't comment on it sooner.

The first and most important thing to know about dog training is that it doesn't work unless the owner actually wants to do it. Which concerns me because I don't see anywhere in your posts where your neighbor asked you to help her train her dog. Most people with annoying dogs would rather just complain about them than actually try to change them. If she doesn't approach you for help, she will not follow through with any advice you give her, I promise you. I'm a professional trainer, and I've been "burned" by many clients who don't follow through; I hope you will learn through my mistakes.

Second, someone who didn't even approach you for training is not going to want to do anything that is too difficult for her or for her dog, and certainly nothing that's going to be physically painful for her or for her dog. You will need to research some gentler methods if you want to have a chance of being successful with her. It would be much wiser, in fact, if you simply referred her to a gentle trainer in your area, someone who specializes in this.

And one last thing - just because a 20-year-old woman gets a dog does NOT mean that she thinks of that dog as her "practice baby"... and making statements like that makes you come across sounding very sexist. I'm sure this is not your intent, so I thought I'd point it out so you don't make the same mistake again.
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