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Old 07-21-2010, 03:34 PM
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I definitely would not punish a growl. A growl is merely a communication. And resource guarding is VERY normal survival behavior in a canine. It has nothing to do with rank or social status. Even the low man on the totem pole who objects to his "superior" taking his food wouldn't survive too long to pass on his "objection" genes. So, it is an evolutionary advantage to protect one's food, no matter who is stealing it.

Punishing a dog that is resource guarding is absolutely a big no no. IMO. They need to have it proven to them that having humans come near their food or take a valued item is actually the coolest thing ever. Better things happen. An analogy would be....if someone took a $5.00 bill and you protested and they scolded you for speaking out against their act, how would you feel? What would you do the next time someone approached and was about to take your $5.00 bill? Now, what if someone reached out for your $5.00 bill and at the same time handed you a $100.00 bill and walked away. What if they came back and did the same thing? As they walked away, wouldn't you wish they'd hurry back and trade you another $100.00 bill for your 5? You have to change the dog's opinion of people coming around his food or bones. But it's best to start out on the low end of the hierarchy of value of the items, keeping the best stuff for later trades when you go up that ladder of value.
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Old 07-21-2010, 03:36 PM
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Sounds normal to me, the frozen kong is very high value. He doesn't guard other food or toys. Max didn't guard food, only marrow bones. Some things are more important than others and he really doesn't want to risk loosing the kong.

I would repeatedly walk up the crate while he's chewing the kong and drop treats like hotdog and other yummy stuff through the bars so he learns your approach is the exact opposite of what he thinks, you're coming to give, not take. Basically what you are doing with his food. Don't touch the kong while he's eating it at this point. You could even open the door every once in a while and hand him the treat but just get him used to the idea that you approaching his kong is awesome.
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Old 07-21-2010, 04:11 PM
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Is there any possibility that he is cage gaurding, not resource guarding?

We have a few dogs that board that are cage aggressive. They will growl/lunge/attack as soon as you latch the door, but if the door is open or they are out of the cage they are perfectly fine.

That may not be the case with Luke...but I found it interesting that he was only growling when the crate door was shut.
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Old 07-21-2010, 04:17 PM
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Is there any possibility that he is cage gaurding, not resource guarding?

That may not be the case with Luke...but I found it interesting that he was only growling when the crate door was shut.
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I wonder what would happen if you left the door open while he has his frozen kong? Have you tried that yet?
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Old 07-21-2010, 04:25 PM
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Thanks to those who brought up the "trading" issue.

I did that a LOT with Wrigley. I basically wanted him to know that whatever he had wasn't near as yummy or fun as whatever I had.
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Old 07-21-2010, 04:32 PM
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I agree with the checking into whether he could just be cage-guarding... PlottDaddy's aunt has a bloodhound that acts like a vicious maniac when you approach his crate, but is a total laid-back lug once she lets him out...
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Old 07-21-2010, 04:51 PM
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I also thought of cage guarding first thing when I read this thread.
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:15 PM
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Have you done any of this stuff? If he still growls under these circumstances, (not when you take stuff, but when the crate door is closed and you're not even attempting to get in there with your hand) are you sure it's an actual warning growl? Does he sound ferrocous? Serious? Is it very purposeful or is it sort of wishy washy sounding? It's possible he's just mumbling...talking. Do you know anyone who chews his food and makes vocalizations at the same time from the throat? I have known people...my own Dad, for one. I wonder if dogs do this sometimes. Just a wild thought.
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:30 PM
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All I can put in is that Victor would snatch.,,attack anyone that tried to get what he had when he first came and we had to do the stay leave it..put your foot on it before you even reach down with your hand routine. He would make big eyes and I would tell him Noooononono . Feed Mary a treat, feed him a treat and so on in a circle when he first came. He didn't growl however he just flew at you. Don't know if it is the same thing or not. Took about two months to teach him to be respectful and to take things nicely when he was told to.
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Good question, Dober, and it does happen.

Kharma is the QUEEN of grousing, and that's all it is in her case. If anyone else heard it, they'd think she was growling and ready to snap. I grouse right back at her, she rolls her eyes, rumbles and either moves a few inches away from me in a huff and looks back, waiting for me to call her back over for make-up snuggles.
Wilson does this--he sounds ominous--but I have learned that it is how he is communicating--took us awhile to learn that.
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