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Old 04-25-2010, 12:26 PM
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RATTIES!!! Yay.

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We went and picked them up yesterday. I didn't want to completely freak them out with the camera so I just snapped a couple to show you guys. I'll try to get some more today. I'm having a really hard time leaving them alone so they can adjust....I feel like a little kid lol.
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:56 PM
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EEEK!
They're ADORABLE!!
So, where did you get their cage, and what did it cost you (if you don't mind me asking)? AND, does it have bars on the floor or ?
They're both males?
So, two male rats are ok together (assuming they came from the same litter and a female isn't introduced)?

Where did you get them, and how much do rats tend to cost?
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Old 04-25-2010, 01:11 PM
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EEEK!
They're ADORABLE!!
So, where did you get their cage, and what did it cost you (if you don't mind me asking)? AND, does it have bars on the floor or ?
They're both males?
So, two male rats are ok together (assuming they came from the same litter and a female isn't introduced)?

Where did you get them, and how much do rats tend to cost?
I ordered their cage from Petsmart along with almost everything else we needed ($6 shipping woot!). It was about $150 (linky). I really really wish I'd ordered the double size but oh well. Maybe later. It's got a pan in the bottom and a liner on the shelf. I put fleece down cause I had extra tho. And I think it looks much prettier this way.

They are both males and they weren't litter mate but I think they've been together since they were babies cause they were born a couple days apart. Apparently you can introduce two babies in with two adult males if you're careful but it's almost impossible to intro adults. So if we decide to get more sometime we'll probably do that.

We got them from a breeder (this one). Adults were only $5 apiece and they're already litter trained. It was way way more expensive to do the cage setup than it is to get the rats. I'd take a picture of our cage but it's really dirty already and I don't wanna take them out yet to clean it lol.
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Old 04-25-2010, 02:10 PM
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how do you litterbox train a rat???

She has really CUTE rats.

I want a rat.
But I have mice right now, and no more rodents!
And I love my mice.
But I will have a rat some day.

Also!!!
Can you keep them in a glass aquarium?
Also, how big of a tank does a pair need?
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Old 04-25-2010, 03:54 PM
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oh my goodness there even cuter than the pictures on the breeders site! love them!

chewie, care is actualy similar to mice except you need a cage, rats should NEVER be kept in an aquarium, 1: not enough ventilation, 2: not enough space, they actually require ALOT of space for thier size, males tend to be snuggle bugs, females tend to be inquisitve and there incredibly smart, can be taught tricks, to come when called, even an entire series of tricks.
they actually do better in pairs (or more) as there highly social, that includes the males, but they should be same sex pairs unless your planning on neutering as rats reproduce like crazy lol.

i miss my ratties like crazy.
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Iiii... am going to go ahead and crosspost something I wrote in GO's snakey thread. (:

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Regarding the adoption of rats..

If someone hasn't stated it before(I skim ), rats and mice, in my opinion, are incredibly different in behavior as well as varying a bit in maintenance. Rats being more conducive to human attachment as well as more interactive in their behavior.

I have four males in a Feisty Ferret cage, and I clean the cage once a week. I use fleece as bedding, and Yesterday's News in the litterboxes(two, one on each level). I spot clean daily, sometimes every other day depending. One of my males is neutered, I highly recommend this for most males. It's not too expensive, possibly increases life expectancy, definitely decreases scent and marking, and nearly all of the time improves any negative dispositions.

Rats can and will come to you when you call, or run to the door of their cage when they hear you come home. If they happen to be calmer in temperament(say, a saint bernard tempered rat in comparison to a terrier tempered ratty- or really, many boy rats) they'll snuggle with you when you watch a movie and happily ride around in your pockets or on your shoulder. Some will be happy to kiss your fingers and roll on their side in content with you. You can easily clicker train rats to learn a variety of tricks, they're incredibly intelligent, charming little animals(check Youtube for rats that sit up, spin, come over, and play fetch, and try googling "the agile rat" for "rat agility"). They definitely require daily enrichment and socialization, and can seem very dog/puppy-like in their qualities.

If you are a first time rat owner, I strongly suggest you start with a pair of babies(with good temperament), or rats with known solid temperaments from a reputable rescue or breeder. Often being regarded as "disposable", rats are transferred from place to place and so frequently neglected, it is not necessarily uncommon to come up with a rat with nippy tendencies or fear-based issues(often the two go hand in hand) - especially if you acquire rats from a byb(yep! The rat world has'em too) or a feeder tank.

Ratster.com is a decent website to find rescues and breeders on - but beware, they do host BYBs on occasion, and even some rescues maintain outdated practices and are less than legitimate. The rat world, strangely(or not so much) is seemingly very comparable to the dog world in it's upcoming politics.

As stated previously - rats always, always, always need to come in at least pairs. Unless you find that rare lone rat who just can't be with others of it's kind, the overall well-being of a rat with a companion is increased dramatically than one without. Any reputable breeder will tell you this, and oftentimes breeders will not sell single babies. Male or female, they are meant to live in colonies, and are happier in numbers, though you don't need more than a pair - two ratties will be perfectly happy with each other, throughout their lives. Trios are good in that in case one of the rats should pass early, the other will still have a long-bonded companion. Rats who have lived in long-instilled pairs who witness a loss often show PTSD afterward, including depressive behaviors(loss of appetite, loss of energy/interest), so this is where having a trio could come in particularly handy.

Many of the food products available for rats in pet stores are incredibly poorly composed and probably shouldn't be fed to any animal. Oxbow Regal rat is pretty well done, but most folks agree that a vegetarian or high quality low-protein-content(18% or less) dog food is best, with fresh fruits and veggies, and a grain mix. I feed my guys Wellness Healthy Weight with daily or salads every other day. Definitely avoid any Kaytee products(forti-diet, yada yada) or seed-mixes(Reggie Rat? also Kaytee).

The life expectancy of rats is around two to three years, four perhaps at the most, more likely to be around two and a half, three if you're lucky. Remember, these are animals who were bred to be test subjects or (in)bred to be food, and they can have some serious health problems. Spaying and neutering can help quite a bit, but often times rats are still subject most commonly to respiratory problems and tumors, among other things. We have so severely convoluted the domestic rat, that I thoroughly support adopting from a reputable breeder, if you can find one in your area, and save for a vet fund!

Some really wonderful links for food for thought/research:

Bao Varakhii Rattery Frequently Asked Questions
(A generally very succinct and thorough overall guide to rats, containing a majority of basic questions - also written by one of the best ratty breeders in the states, in my opinion)

Breeder Red Flags
(Breeder Red Flags - You would be amazed between the difference in a rat who was bred by a sincere breeder and one you might find in a feeder bin - be sure to check out some of BVRs rats, as well!)

Goosemoose Pet Portal - Home
(A forum full of people who are nuts about rats. But, if you're ever in a pinch, or curious about owning rats, this has been one of the best sources of information for me throughout my ratties lives.)

Anyway, I hope this helps!
Also, something I don't think was addressed, was habitat! Rats deserve at least two cubic feet per rat, including climbing and running space. The cage calculator really helps with this: Ratty Corner Cage Calculator And always remember to include lots of toys, things to explore and shred, climb, and soft spaces to lay in their environment. Wire floors need to be covered so they don't develop Bumblefoot, and only aspen or synthetic bedding(like carefresh) can be used- no cedar or pine, as this is damaging to the respiratory tract of many, if not all? small animals.

I don't mean to clutter the forum, but I felt like this post didn't get much attention, as it was the very last post in GO's thread before it disappeared to page two or three of The Fire Hydrant.


But I love ratties! I'm glad you found them (: From what I've read, Camarattery is a pretty decent rattery, and I would loooove to give my guys a CN! So nice!
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crowsfeet!
I'm so sorry! I missed your very, very informative post!!!

I was reading a rat forum yesterday.
I cannot BELIEVE the size cages rats require!!!!

I want a rat. My husband says no right now, but I eventually plan to have a rat.
But for now, I love my mice.

There has GOT TO BE a more inexpensive cage than what you bought, that is suitable, Taqroy? Is there?

I gave my mice some wellness core ocean the other day, and yesterday Henney got diced up mushroom and some collard greens.
And when I give them human food, it's such a little amount.
I think I gave him 1/3 of a piece of kibble and the amount of mushroom was sooooo tiny.
He ate it, though.
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:52 AM
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you can sometimes find those ferret nation or critter nation cages used on craigslist. I know I sold my 2 story ferret nation for 100.
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There has GOT TO BE a more inexpensive cage than what you bought, that is suitable, Taqroy? Is there?

Oh yeah. There are way cheaper cages and if you hang out on craigslist or ebay you can generally find used ones. I was sold on the critter nation cause both doors open fully in the front and it comes with its own stand and it's really really sturdy. And I've seen it quoted on several forums that it can hold up to six rats (with most people saying they'd only go to four). So far I really really like it.
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Oh man.
Do NOT tempt me. I could totally get some rats right now. And I'd love them to PIECES.
But my husband told me no.
And, honestly, with having the mice and being busy with the business, plus all of my other animals, I don't know it'd be wise to take on anymore mammals at this point and time that would need my direction interaction daily.

So, I'll just research and be good and ready for when the time comes for me to get some ratties.
Cuz I luv teh ratties.
Dahhhvvv..

Btw, off topic, but I sent you pics of your collars.
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