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Old 09-17-2005, 10:28 PM
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scenerio..old woman has a heart attack..falls on her porch..hitting her head on the railing..makes it inside but doesn't get the door shut..her dogs run out the door afraid..oh my..foresight? You have a fire..you run out..the dogs make it outside with you..the firemen leave the gate open....or gee..foresight ..your generalizations just turn me completely..no one knows it all..not about marraige, or babies, or being a vet..about training..or what people do with their lives when they are not on a 5 sec clip..it is one thing to base an opinion on an experience that you have been thru..it is another to cover something with a blanket statement..vets have come a long way even in the last 10 years..and i for one am grateful that someone would go to the lengths my vets of have done to help me with my animals..i am grateful for what they have taught me..i would stuff a sock in it before i went in and pretended to know a doc's business..if you obviously can tell he can't read an x ray..then you go to another vet until you find one that can.that is your responsiblity as a pet owner. No one can seer into the future and prevent something like the last two scenerios i presented..i could give you a hundred more just as likely to happen. Debate i will..i wasn't inferring to theperson in talking down..tongue in cheek i was referring to the behavior.
you carefully avoided the questions i noticed..
you know it all..what are "diagnoses" two have nothing to do with cancer..or diabetes..or heartworms
I hate to say it, but the last part of your post makes no sense to me....about the diagnoses???????

As far as falling and hitting my head, and the dogs running out......not a chance. The boys are in their crates in the dog room, or out in the ard anyway. The girls are in the front part of the trailer, and have open access at all times to the patio and carport which are fenced. This place is triple fence to prevent anyone from getting out. It is called FORESIGHT. As a matter of fact I went thru exactly that while in the coma during hurricane Ivan.

I have a fire, I take the dogs across lot 2 to Sharon and Orval's on lot 1, which is all fenced in, and since I own the property, there ain't much they can say about it......not that they would. They are dog lovers also. I have had 30 years of vet learning. Likely a little more than you. And I can tell you that if you depend on doctor's for your life, you are foolish. But after you live a few more years, and have a chance to learn more of the screw ups of doctors you will understand what I am talking about.

When I was having my heart attacks, I was the one that finally went to the doctor and told him I wanted him to do an EKG. HE nearly had a heart attack when he saw the results. I was the one who told him that I was dealing with CHF due to the contriction I was feeling in my neck. He agreed with me. I was the one that told the doctor that due to the symptoms I was sure I had developed diabetes. Sure enough. I was the one when I went blind told the doctor I suspected cataracts......no big deal---kinda obvious, rofl.

Sooooooo, you can go on flapping your fingers, but I am too tired to appreciate the chance to show you up for the knucklehead you are. Sorry if you are in a bad mood. Ain't my problem. After fighting witht this computer, and having Microsoft lead me down the prim rose path, I am not in the greatest frame of mind. And for you to snidely insinuate that I let my dogs die a horrid death is just pure ignorant, and without excuse. You assume too much. I have stated in other posts that the only reason my dogs go to the vet is for surgery or health certificates. Guess you missed those posts.

However, by keeping conditions safe for the dogs, and being blessed with healthy dogs, I have not been to a vet since I took Kelly in to have her put to sleep back in June. She was 12 years old and had lived a wonderful life right up to the very end. She clearly let me know when she was ready to leave, and so I took her in.

So, by all means, continue to judge everyone else by your own lack of knowledge and experience. It is a common enough mistake. But you just kinda picked the wrong one to dance around with this time!!! Rofl. Boy did ya ever, heheheheh.
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Old 09-17-2005, 10:39 PM
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if you claim to have knowledge..you should be able to back it up with fact.
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Old 09-17-2005, 10:41 PM
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Omigawd... it's worse than I thought. You have your dogs in crates, too. So, if you have an "accident" or heart attack, or whatever, they will just be stuck. Do you have anyone that checks in on you and your animals daily?
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Old 09-17-2005, 10:47 PM
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I was thinking the same thing !!! What if you went into a diabetic coma with food on the stove !!?? Why did your manchester die at such a young age ???
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Old 09-17-2005, 10:49 PM
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if you claim to have knowledge..you should be able to back it up with fact.
I have given you the facts. If they leave you confused.....then there ain't nutting I can do. Unless perhaps you want to enumerate some specific items??? I diagnosed Blaize's diabetes and treated it for a year. Don't take rocket science......just a BG meter, which being diabetic myself I had, along with the insulin, needles etc. Hard part was finding a spot to test for blood on her. The edge of the lip did very well, and she didn't feel a thing.

As far as cancer???? Again no mystery. I have one dog that has a fatty tumor on her neck. Sadly, none of the others are exhibiting any lumps, or signs of lung/heart problems. No coughing or hacking after exertion, no abdominal swelling......not even an ingrown hair or toenail!!!!

The FACTS are.....MY DOGS ENJOY EXCELLENT HEALTH. I am sorry if that goes against your experiences in life, lol. But by keeping them up on their shots, and worm free, plus living in a safe, secluded environment, they enjoy a good safe, healthy life.

Kelly enjoyed her 12 years, right up to the very last breath she drew. And so, I hope will I. But not by indulging myself in anymore frivolity of this nature. So, I must beg off. Unless you have a specific question, then I would certainly be delighted to share my KNOWLEDGE and experience with you.

Although, about the only thing I had much experience with was one slight case of juvinile panrcreatitiis 30 years ago. Oh yeah.......and one incidence of CVI, about 25 years ago.
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Old 09-17-2005, 10:54 PM
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the heart attack is what happened to Shaffer's owner..a woman in her 90's..just stepped out on the porch to check the mail..shaffer was lucky to be found by logan..we will never know about MEdear
the dog with the swollen belly..a twisted intestine
the dog in the street..sitting up straight but not moving..broken back
my house went up in less then 20 minutes..i had time to run out calling 911 as i went and get the dogs in the car and that is because they ran out the door with me..mary was so afraid that she ran period and if it wasn' for the neighbors i wouldn't have had time to find her before she was in a danger zone
if they had been in crates? i didn't even have time to shove the parakeets out or look for the cats. fortunately the firemen shoved the birds out and the door open had allowed the cats to escape as well. I didn't find them until the next morning...
I can site where a little knowledge is more dangerous then none at all..especially especially when it comes to medication. Old boss and i went around and around on that topic..he knew old ways of worming..will refer to as the baseball bat and the fly
went by the old belief the more the more effective..we had a very heated arguement about a sulpha drug..he thought he was right..he gave too much the little pup's kidneys couldn't handle it and the dog died..it wasn't my kennel there was nothing i could do. i could debate as long as you can..without using words like stupid..or knucklehead..that is a resort to insult and a technique in arguing used to draw attention away from the facts..it doesn't work and everyone can see thru it. it's immature. You put forth these "facts" in your own words
you know more then most vets..
after basic routine care..a dog needs no more of modern science..and if it does..you can provide it
You can see into the future.
all i said i seriously doubt you can prove it....I don't believe you.. and that is "in my opinion"
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Old 09-17-2005, 10:55 PM
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Goodnight, Oh mighty one... hope you and your caged dogs have a good night... I'll be snuggled up with Chip. He's glad I had his heart checked again last week .
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Old 09-17-2005, 10:58 PM
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Just saw your post Smkie.... Kisses and sweet dreams!! Grammy .
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Old 09-17-2005, 11:02 PM
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I was thinking the same thing !!! What if you went into a diabetic coma with food on the stove !!?? Why did your manchester die at such a young age ???
My stove has been "ungassed" for over 10 years, lol. And I doubt that anything would catch on fire in the microwave--not anything that I would be cooking, anyway. I do have a griddle type thing, deep sides, etc. And I do use it from time to time.

What Manchester died at a young age? 12 is an average age for a Manchester to pass on. She had cancer that had gone into the lungs. When the breathing stops, so does life.....one way or the other. And it was only 6 years ago that the dogs in the pedigree of my dogs did start dying off of cancer. The line is rift with it. That was not happy news to me.

Most of my dogs so far have lived to 16 years of age. I think that is pretty darn good. My oldest now is Mandy. She is 15 3/4.

My dogs do very well. I am sure they would appreciate everyone's concern, but it is not really needed. I do not go to a vet because I do not want to expose my dogs to parvo, or the killer influenza that is running around Florida these days. Once I stopped showing 7 years ago, I also quit going to the vets. I never even took puppies to the vet's unless it was one I was selling and it needed a health certificate.

Like I said, I had an extensive vet course earlier on in my doggie life. And I had some vets kill my dogs without needing to. I can do as well for my dogs as any vet can, unless it involves stitches.

As far as supplies, as Smkie asked, good grief.....has she never been to a drug store? Or looked at a dog catalog? All you need to keep a dog healthy is Betadine, peroxide, antibiotic ointment, gauze and tape!!!!!

Anyway........I do what I will with my dogs, and will continue what has stood them and me in good stead for 30 years now. I intend no sneering at anyone. Just pull a few chains once in a while, and sit here shaking my head when folks respond exactly as I know they will.

My dogs have the best of everything, including being lucky enough to have ME as their owner!!!!!
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Old 09-17-2005, 11:18 PM
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the heart attack is what happened to Shaffer's owner..a woman in her 90's..just stepped out on the porch to check the mail..shaffer was lucky to be found by logan..we will never know about MEdear
the dog with the swollen belly..a twisted intestine
the dog in the street..sitting up straight but not moving..broken back
my house went up in less then 20 minutes..i had time to run out calling 911 as i went and get the dogs in the car and that is because they ran out the door with me..mary was so afraid that she ran period and if it wasn' for the neighbors i wouldn't have had time to find her before she was in a danger zone
if they had been in crates? i didn't even have time to shove the parakeets out or look for the cats. fortunately the firemen shoved the birds out and the door open had allowed the cats to escape as well. I didn't find them until the next morning...
I can site where a little knowledge is more dangerous then none at all..especially especially when it comes to medication. Old boss and i went around and around on that topic..he knew old ways of worming..will refer to as the baseball bat and the fly
went by the old belief the more the more effective..we had a very heated arguement about a sulpha drug..he thought he was right..he gave too much the little pup's kidneys couldn't handle it and the dog died..it wasn't my kennel there was nothing i could do. i could debate as long as you can..without using words like stupid..or knucklehead..that is a resort to insult and a technique in arguing used to draw attention away from the facts..it doesn't work and everyone can see thru it. it's immature. You put forth these "facts" in your own words
you know more then most vets..
after basic routine care..a dog needs no more of modern science..and if it does..you can provide it
You can see into the future.
all i said i seriously doubt you can prove it....I don't believe you.. and that is "in my opinion"
About your fire experience. How horrible. Unimaginable. I did neglect to mention one form of insurance that I employ........I trust in the Lord to keep me and the dogs safe. It has worked for many, many years, thru many horrid events.......like Ivan, for one. And Rocky Mountain Spotted fever.

I also should perhaps mention that I over the years I have had a huge network of people to provide knowledge based on their own experiences.

I do not use words such as knucklehead as an insult. In fact you should be flattered that I used it to address you. If I were trying to be insulting I would have just come out and tell you that you were being idiotic.

I have used Ivomec for the dogs for 20 years now. It kills microfilaria, hooks, whips and rounds. Does not affect adult heartworm, so you can use it on a dog without having to worry about their heartworm status. You CANNOT, however use it on Collies, or anything faintly related to Collies.......Shelties, Beardies, Borders, etc.

With the dogs on Ivomec, and being shot regularly, there is nothing else to be concerned with, for the most part. Oh, and my dad had cancer.....Hodgkins, and I got a crash course in it. Also with my stepmother, bless her heart. I mean dogs die from heart failure, cancer for the most part, just like people do. No mystery.

And as I said, I am blessed by being able to have this place fenced, double fenced, and cross fenced. And I am up most day and night. Sleep for an hour at a time maybe. Also, I have several fire extinguishers. Anyone who lives in a trailer has fire extinguishers.

Oh, and buddabt mentioned her dear doggie sleeping with her.......poor thing! Mine all sleep ON me, rofl. They have their own heated water bed........ME.

Some of us are just luckier in life it seems. I prefer to think that in spite of me being a bit of a devil, the Lord looks after me for the sake of the dogs, lol. I am their caretaker after all.

In 30 years I have never had a dog hit by a car. Or any of the other dreadful things that can happen. And I thank the Lord for that too.

Everyone have a great night, and be safe, and well. The Lord bless and keep us all.
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