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Old 02-25-2010, 07:35 PM
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Just in case anyone forgot:

Chloe is 11 months old, Armani is 2.5 years old... I have had both (yorkies) since they were puppies. Armani is neutered (has been since 6 months old) Chloe was just spayed a few weeks ago.

Armani was raised with the poodles and has always been good with other dogs... when I first got Chloe he wasnt super pleased but got over it pretty quickly and they have been perfect together... they love each other, lay together, lick each others faces, play, etc. Chloe has had a lot of contact with the poodles also and gets along well with them.

Within the last month or so we had a few instances where Chloe snapped at Armani, there was always food or toys involved, she was removed from the situation for a few minutes and it ended as quick as it started.

Today out of the blue she ONLY wants to attack him no matter what... it started over nothing... there was NO food or toys in sight... she just started attacking him... multiple times I put her in the crate and then let her back out and she attacked him immediately. She is super focused on him, I cant get her to focus on anything but him... she has this weird look in her eyes like she is possessed, I dont know I cant explain it.

How can they go from loving each other to her wanting to kill him in literally minutes?!

And I KNOW I am not handling it right... so tell me what I am supposed to do?
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:30 PM
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When something like this happens so suddenly and with no obvious explanation....like fighting over toys or food, the first thing I would want to rule out is a medical cause, then go from there. She was just spayed. Perhaps she's feeling irritable and there may be something about her hormone changes affecting her. You might talk to your vet and describe everything. It could also be something else that he might want to check....like thyroid.

Then if nothing can be found to explain this erratic change in behavior, some kind of "re-assocation" type plan might help. Otherwise, in the meantime, it would be best to keep them separated so no one gets hurt....maybe with a baby gate or crate and rotate. Switch rooms, something. You might try associating the presence of Armani with good treats and avoid punishing her in his presence or getting nervous or upset if she "goes off."

How distressing this must be for you. Give your vet a call first and make sure there's no medical issue. I hope this can be rectified. (((hugs)))
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Old 02-25-2010, 09:27 PM
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Where did you get Choe from?
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Old 02-25-2010, 10:19 PM
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Step one : Vet visit for FULL check up on both dogs
Step two : Get a good professional on the line (trainer or behaviorist) to help you

In a pinch : get a copy of Ian Dunbar's DVD on fighting.
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Old 02-25-2010, 10:24 PM
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a medical issue is really what I was thinking also... it just came on too suddenly and is such a drastic change I feel like.

What exactly do I ask a vet to do though?

Armani was in last week for a physical and Chloe just had a lot of bloodwork before her surgery.

Also just a random question but I just (two days ago) started Chloe on denamarin (liver supplement) and changed her food... neither of these could be the problem right?

Im just so frustrated... why cant she just tell me whats wrong?!!!!
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Old 02-25-2010, 10:29 PM
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Also just a random question but I just (two days ago) started Chloe on denamarin (liver supplement) and changed her food... neither of these could be the problem right?
Yeah, that's possible.... I don't know what denamarin is but I do know that changing diet can change a dog's personality a little bit.

I'd suggest just letting the vet know what's going on and ask him for a full check-up to see if she might be in any pain. You can also have him do a full thyroid panel to make sure thyroids are ok; he probably didn't look at this in the pre-surgery bloodwork.
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absolutely going on a new med could cause it! Also, perhaps while they were playing, Armani accidentally hurt her and she's holding a grudge? I'd get someone to help you ASAP and start by walking them together side by side with lots of treats and praise, gradually getting them closer together.
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It could be the new meds, new food, or something like that.

when these little tifs happen over the family dogs at home, I take both dogs for a walk together. ive noticed it helps, maybe try that for these 2?
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[QUOTE=PoodleMommy;1562728]

Within the last month or so we had a few instances where Chloe snapped at Armani, there was always food or toys involved, she was removed from the situation for a few minutes and it ended as quick as it started.

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Sounds like she is frustrated and is pairing him with a negative (she was removed). She was protecting her bone/chewy/toy, snarked at him, then she is removed and I would bet that he was then allowed to have what was hers. Yep given the first chance she is going to kick his butt...............Anyhow that is how I see it

Personally unless she was making him bleed and it was a bad fight I would allow them to sort it out and not interfer. The other thing I would do is that I remove what the dogs were snarking over, it belongs to ME and they blew it, but I wouldn't remove a dog.
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Old 02-26-2010, 12:04 PM
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Within the last month or so we had a few instances where Chloe snapped at Armani, there was always food or toys involved, she was removed from the situation for a few minutes and it ended as quick as it started.

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Where you upset? How did you remove her and where was she put? How long?
Sounds like she is frustrated and is pairing him with a negative. She was protecting her bone/chewy/toy, snarked at him, then she is removed and I would bet that he was then allowed to have what was hers. Yep given the first chance she is going to kick his butt...............Anyhow that is how I see it

Ummm...no. I just picked her up or him up (whoever I could grab first really) and stuck them in a different room... they rotate between rooms all the time anyway so i dont think they view any specific room as a punishment or not and then whatever was the cause of concern was put away and neither of them were allowed to have it. Twice it was over his food dish and then obviously he was allowed to keep his food and she was just redirected back to her own dish.

everyone else thanks for the suggestions... things are a little bit better today, I have been getting them together for short "visits" that include treats... I will take the suggestions to take them on a walk but I will have to wait until this snowstorm decides to end or at least die down a little... right now the sidewalks arent even shoveled and the dogs are about a foot tall and the snow is about two feet deep
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